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Why Did Newtown Happen? Grieving for our Country; Working to Find Answers

A mental health perspective on the Newtown tragedy and answering the question, "Why?"

Like many, when I learned of the Newtown shootings, I felt compelled to do something. I wanted to dry the tears of the victims' families. I wanted to tell the families that I'll work to make sure this never happens again. I wanted to tell them that I'll be thinking of them and their lost ones when I try.

I feel a responsibility to the victims. While a blog post in a local, online publication isn't the comfort of open arms, I hope the post offers some context for the tragedy and tools for preventing another. I believe there is much to be accomplished if all of us try.

I thought that I heard you laughing

I thought that I heard you sing

I think I thought I saw you try

But that was just a dream

Try. Cry. Why. Try.

That was just a dream”

- R.E.M., Losing My Religion

The overwhelming grief and helplessness that school shootings engender compel us to ask, “Why?” If we can answer this question, if we can explain why school shootings occur, we are less helpless. Further, if we know why they occur, we can prevent another attack, and our grief is slightly assuaged. In researching this article, I didn't find an answer. I found useful and confusing information in trying to answer why school shootings occur. I'll present information that appeared consistently across the literature and offer implications for school safety.

First, it's important to put a context around school shootings.

School shootings are not new phenomena ( Safe Schools Initiative, 2002, Muschert, 2007 ). One source identifies the first targeted school shooting in 1974 (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002 ). Another source identifies the first school shooting in 1966 (US News, 2008), and still another identifies the first targeted school shooting occurring in 1927 in Bath, Michigan by a school board member who killed 38 children and six adults (heritage.com, 2012). Despite this history, schools are still safer than children's homes and neighborhoods. More violent crimes and serious violent crimes happen away from school than at school. Further, the rates of violent crimes and serious violent crimes decrease consistently from 1992 through 2010 (Muschert, 2007, OJJDP, 2010).

It is the way of scholars to show all they know and oppose further information.”

- Francis Bacon

As the above paragraph indicates, there is inconsistency in the literature concerning school attacks, even disagreement as to when the first occurred. In understandable haste to discover why school shootings happen, researchers may force conclusions. After the Columbine shootings in 1999, violent video games, Goth culture, and race were identified as causes, and all were discovered to be inadequate explanations by subsequent scholarship (Muschert, 2007). Also, because school shootings are very rare, and some end with the shooter's death, the study sample is small. Iron-clad conclusions are difficult to draw from small samples. Further, scholars disagree on the definition of a school shooting ("school shootings" are sometimes defined differently than "school attacks") which will alter the participants, the sample size, and the conclusions (Langman, 2010).

This post relies heavily on The Final Report and Findings of the Safe Schools Initiative, a seminal document on school shootings by The U.S. Secret Service and The U.S. Department of Education (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). The document was written in 2002 after the Columbine shootings and contains a rigorous examination of school shooters. This source and others are able to find some consensus in scholarship. School shooter behaviors, the nature of school attacks, and implications for safer schools are areas where scholarship demonstrates more united findings.

Mainstream media and much of the literature tries to develop a “profile” for school shooters, but a definitive profile doesn't exist. Despite media focus on what school shooters look like, there isn't a set of demographics that indicates the likelihood of students becoming school shooters. Most school shooters are white, male, good students, are involved in extra curricular activities, come from two-parent homes, have no prior history of violence, and no mental health history (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). These statistics might as easily indicate students who are likely to be admitted into a state university. Using this set of demographics to identify potential school shooters would mistakenly identify the innocent and overlook potential perpetrators (Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012, Safe Schools Initiative, 2002).

How overcome this dire Calamity,

What reinforcement may we gain from Hope,

If not, what resolution from despair.”

- John Milton, Paradise Lost

It's far more useful to track behaviors of students to determine the potential of violence (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002, Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012). In most school shootings, attackers will tell someone else about the attack. In 81% of the cases studied in the Safe Schools Initiative, at least one other person knew that a shooting would occur. In 59% of the cases studied, more than one person knew about the attack. In 93% of these cases, the person who knew was a peer. Telling a peer about the attack is one behavior that most school shooters share.

In addition, prior to the attacks, many shooters display “concerning behaviors” (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). These behaviors, as in the case of telling someone else about the attack, are far from subtle. Shooters may ask others about procuring a weapon, talk about building bombs, talk about how they would like to kill others, or even talk about how they would attack the school. Expressing homicidal or suicidal ideation, especially in poetry, essays and journals, is common. Experience with shooting guns is also a common behavior. Many school shooters seem to behave in ways that overtly demonstrate their interest in violence.

Most shooters felt persecuted and bullied and had difficulty coping with a recent loss or perceived rejection. Some of the bullying was severe. Some of the persecution was more perception. Regardless, many school shooters are unable to manage social difficulties (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). The coping abilities of school shooters are diminished. Focusing on behaviors of school shooters is more helpful than a set of demographics to prevent school attacks. Examining consensus on the nature of school attacks offers further insight into prevention.

Like school shooter behaviors, school attacks have commonalities. School attacks are short in duration. From the time the shooting begins until the shooting stops, less than 15 minutes have passed in almost half of the attacks. Over a quarter of attacks lasted less than five minutes (Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012, Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). School attacks are planned in advance 95% of the time and are stopped by someone other than law enforcement. The weapons used in 68% of school shootings were guns from the shooters' homes or from their relatives' homes (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002 ). Conclusions regarding scholarly consensus in school shooters' behaviors and in the nature of school attacks have implications for preventing other school shootings.

Tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.”

- Aeschylus

The preventive strategies for school shootings are establishing a warm school climate and constructing an effective threat assessment team to evaluate students' potential for violence. Establishing a warm, caring climate in a school sounds like a soft option when considering the hard reality of school shootings. However, given that most school shooters tell someone about their attacks, that school shooters demonstrate “concerning behaviors”, that they express homicidal and suicidal ideation, and that attacks are planned in advance, a school climate that is supportive makes sense. Students and staff may be more likely to report concerns about the potential for violence. Schools where bullying is taken seriously, where students' voices have resonance, where staff are perceived as invested in students' work can create an environment where students are active in their schools' environs (Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012, Safe Schools Initiative, 2002). In addition to a supportive campus, an effective threat assessment team is essential in preventing school shootings.

After students are identified as concerns, a threat assessment team collects information for evaluation and monitors the students. “A growing body of research supports the efficacy of threat assessment approaches for mitigating threats of violence” (Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012, p. 343). Systematic threat assessment may be a more effective method of reducing violence than criminal profiling, more punitive discipline policies, and allowing concealed weapons in schools (Sulkowski & Lazarus, 2012). The team collects information about students through interviews, school records, and if needed, contact with law enforcement. After information collection, the team makes recommendations for interventions – mental health, disciplinary, or law enforcement. The team then monitors students through the interventions and tracks their progress. A threat assessment team is generally available in school districts but all stakeholders in a school district, particularly students, need awareness of the teams and access to them. The Safe Schools Initiative has a complete guide to threat assessments (Safe Schools Initiative, 2002).

We have a responsibility to the victims of crime and violence. It is a responsibility to think not only of our own convenience but of the tragedy of sudden death.”

- Robert Kennedy

 School shootings result from “a constellation of contributing causes, none of which is sufficient in itself to explain a shooting” (Muschert, 2007, p. 68). “Knowing everything about the perpetrator, his family, his social experience and the world he inhabits does not answer the question “why” in any way that will resolve the problem” (Solomon, 2012). Being unable to answer “why” is not cause for inaction. Stakeholders in school districts can act in ways that prevent school shootings. Parents can raise their children vigilantly. School staff can be educated in “concerning behaviors” and about the importance of establishing relationships with students. School districts can build effective threat assessment teams. Students can invest in their own safety and report their concerns. Law enforcement can work closely with schools. We keep working.

We grieve for our country, the Newtown community, the Lanza family, the Sandy Hook staff, and those sweet children. But there is work to be done.

We grieve, but we are not helpless.

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Helen Rieland January 17, 2013 at 07:22 pm
Did anyone ever answer the question. Can someone experienced with guns please explain why you want or need an assault rifle or a hunting gun that would be the same or more powerful. For people that don't use guns regularly and have never gone hunting we're truly just asking the question. What are these types of guns used for other than shooting up people?
cookiepro2 January 17, 2013 at 07:58 pm
Appreciate the suggestion, Rick Shoup, but I am concerned about PSTD among the troops. Our soldiers have served under incredibly stressful armed situations and the least we can do is not subject them to more of the same. Education, jobs in the energy sector or technology YES!
If I were thinking of protecting schools, it would be a secured perimeter with a guard gate similiar to what you see at some work places, e.g., GM tech center or TARDAC. I wouldn't do it for high schools since it wouldn't be practical with the student body traffic (taking off for co-op, classes at other schools). Plus I think most of the threats come from the high school students themselves and efforts can be concentrated along that avenue.
cookiepro2 January 17, 2013 at 08:05 pm
Excuse me, PTSD not PSTD.
laplateau January 17, 2013 at 08:31 pm
Helen, many people who own guns, both pistols and rifles, use them for a variety of reasons. Many simply like to go to the firing range, other join shooting clubs that have completive shoots, both for marksmanship and skeet shooting with a shotgun. So called assault rifles are rifle that have a different outer design than do classic hunting rifles. Both types can have multiple bullet capacity and are semi-automatic in nature, meaning that you don't have to cock the rifle after each shot and another round is automatically loaded. Hunting rifles are usually use a more powerful bullet because of the range to reach a deer or bear, or whatever is being hunted, at greater distance is required...up to 100 yards or more. Pistols are used for competition or personal protection, or both. Many like me, like an assault rifle purely for the fun it offers in plinking away at targets. Please remember that virtually all killings are not done with a rifle regardless of what kind of rifle it is. I keep mine, as do every other gun owner I know, under lock and key in a gun safe. I know a lot of people that simply like guns, collect them, and never fire them.
I hope this helps you understand a lot more clearly. Please feel free to ask any other questions.
vincent January 17, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Some people can't think outside the words they read, and like to have people so frustrated, that they clam up. Please, continue to contribute to the patch.
charlene flaherty January 18, 2013 at 02:15 am
laplateau, I always enjoy a passionate conversation. Let me start by saying I have been called a"liberal". Isn't the 2nd amendment referring to militia? Please clarify. I find fault shooters mother for extremely bad judgement exposing him to target practice but telling the babysitter never to turn her back on him! I despise the trite statement, Guns don't kill, people do. In a free society its not that simplistic! The president is not banning firearms as pres Bush Sr and Clinton did. It was legislated after a school shooting in Stockton CA and a terrorist tragedy. He is not exploiting the children who died at Sandy Hook by relating to their loss. The hate is not helping move forward and I blame the gun manufacturers who are behind this NRA ads. Is money paramount to everything else? Also, in 1776 woman were not allowed to vote, slaves were 3/5 in value and presidents had no term limits etc! What is your solution to this horrible situation we can't agree upon Char
Jim Sparks January 18, 2013 at 02:47 am
Sorry, lap. You need to do your homework. The NRA has, at least until recently, actively opposed background checks at gun shows and for private sales. They virtually wrote an addendum to the Patriot Act that bars the ATF from accessing state or private gun purchase and registration data. They have even tried to get all gun purchase records destroyed within 24 hours of taking the background check - pass or fail. The list goes on and on. Simple denial is not a valid defense...
CT January 18, 2013 at 04:34 am
Keep the crazy people from owning/having access to guns. How? I do not know. Btw, the overwhelming majority of non-self-defense and non-suicidal firearms deaths are young urban handgun deaths. See: Chicago and Detoit. Meredith, way to stay civil. As a gun guy, I'll be the first to admit that gun people tend towards obnoxious
philosophical absolutism. Charlene...the NRA didn't tell Americans in 50 states to buy 3 million AR-15s. They choose this purchase themselves. Meredith's post meant to say, "let's just be nicer." kinda hard to argue against that. Peace.
Larry D January 18, 2013 at 04:41 am
How many of our founding fathers had rifles, or shotguns, or banana clips? The pistols of the day weren't accurate beyond about 20 feet. The weapons they were talking about had nothing to do with modern weapons. And if you do want weapons to take on modern law enforcement and military, you are talking about automatic weapons, hand grenades, bazookas, flamethrowers, etc. Do you seriously think the average person on the street, including your next door neighbor, should have those weapons and materials?
Larry D January 18, 2013 at 04:51 am
Why do countries with strict gun laws have far fewer homicides than we have in the US? Why do the gun people want research on gun violence prohibited? If small clips can be changed quickly, and more shots fired without delay, why do you oppose the ban on large ammo clips?
Larry D January 18, 2013 at 05:12 am
You are not correct about the second amendment being defined and reviewed over the last 200 years. The first Supreme Court opinion recognizing an individual second amendment right (as opposed to the states using a well-regulated militia) was only about two years ago. The phrase about a "well-regulated militia" certainly gave rise to a dispute as to whether the second amendment applied to an individual as opposed to the states, even though the Supreme Court has now ruled it applies to individuals. More importantly, even if something is protected by the constitution, that does not mean it can't be regulated. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, notwithstanding freedom of speech.
A machine gun is a form of armament, and it is banned. Do you think any form of arms, machine gun, bazooka, grenade, etc. should be legal? Since this right has only been defined in the last couple of years, I don't see how servicemen have died protecting this particular right. Far more significant in terms of threats to constitutional rights is the wholesale disregard we have had for fourth and fifth amendment rights because we are afraid of terrorists.
Larry D January 18, 2013 at 05:17 am
Or, rather than incurring the tremendous expense of providing armed guards throughout our schools, stores, businesses, recreational areas, governmental offices, etc. and etc., why don't we see what the countries are doing that have a far lower homicide rate than we do?
cookiepro2 January 18, 2013 at 06:49 am
True, Larry, but realistically, we already have a "gun culture" in this country and it is not going to change. I don't want armed guards all over the place, just ONE guard in a guard house at each elementary school. It is not so unusual. There are guarded gated communities, office buildings, research centers, can't we do this...it is heartbreaking and abhorrent what happened to those little children. If our society trends to "schools of choice", i.e., private schools and charter schools, I bet parents will be looking at safety and security as an issue on where to send their children. Find some retired cops already pensioned out looking for extra part-time pay (no benefits) to man the guard stations.
cookiepro2 January 18, 2013 at 07:40 am
Yes, CT, we as a country, do ignore the horrible carnage that happens on a daily basis in our cities. However, every parent assumes that when they send their child to school they're going to come home in the same condition. That assumption has been shaken by Newtown, now we know how easily; in 10 minutes, happy lives can be brutally taken. This needs to be fixed.
nahshal January 18, 2013 at 11:25 am
Whatever happened to the first phrase in the 2nd Amendment? “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” A well-regulated militia receives training, is screened for those who may have mental or emotional problems, and abides by safety and security measures. Maybe the tools to address part of this issue are already in the law.
donna mcmullen January 18, 2013 at 02:00 pm
laplateau -- some people are just never going to understand and continue to cry/complain until ALL our rights are taken away. I shudder to see what will be left when they are all done.
Meredith McCutcheon January 18, 2013 at 02:32 pm
Mamamac, perhaps it's not that people are "crying and complaining" and perhaps it's not that people "don't understand". Perhaps they DO understand, and perhaps they just don't agree with your position. And that's ok. In fact, it's essential for all sides to listen (not just hear, but REALLY listen) to opposing viewpoints if our society can adapt and grow.
Meredith McCutcheon January 18, 2013 at 02:35 pm
And that sometimes means that we must listen more than we talk. That we must wait to speak until we have really thought about what we want to say. And that we try to understand that everyone is human and entitled to their own options...and then we must give them the respect that everyone deserves, even when we disagree.
Laura Vogel January 18, 2013 at 03:01 pm
"It's clear to me that we are going to be unable to continue this conversation"
a polite way of saying: this post should have never had the comments section opened up in the first place, because you knew it was going to be a train wreck of spewing trolls before it even began.
Jeff Scott January 18, 2013 at 03:09 pm
There is information now coming out that the mentally ill shooter DID NOT USE the dreaded "assualt rifle" after all....he used 3 automatic pistols.
Now after the Obama administration used that misinformation in their headlong rush to strip away more of our 2nd Amendment rights we start hearing some facts! I was watching this terrible tragedy and the police response live on TV that morning and there was a second person that the police chased up into the woods along side the school. He was wearing camo pants and a black shirt and police reported that he was yelling that he "hadn't shot anyone"....whatever happened to that person who may have been with the shooter in the car? He just didn't evaporate! Where is he and who is he? There are many questions that have not been answered while Obama presses his precieved political and emotional advantage to press his and the liberal's wish list on gun control....this bothers me! I watched the President's news conference and still cannot believe that not one single supposed journalist asked this question of President Obama. How can a President who allowed the "Fast and Furious" gun running operation to go on within his administration and then instructed his Attorney General to withhold information and obstruct the Congressional investigation into what happened stand before the nation and misinform people after they allowed MILITARY GRADE, fully automatic weapons to go drug gang members who murdered people, even children, with them!
Lianne Mathie January 18, 2013 at 03:18 pm
Jeff, please provide links to all of these stories, otherwise it's pure rhetoric.I don't remember Obama puling the trigger.But you just threw a bomb.
Thank you
Erin January 18, 2013 at 03:28 pm
Jeff -well-respected Right-wing blogger on www.redstate.com, Erik Erickson, asking folks like you to resist conspiracy theory:
"The media did a horrible job getting its facts and figures straight during and after the tragedy in Connecticut. Gun control advocates have seized on a lot of information and ignored a lot of information in an effort to push their agenda. But I'm seeing gun supporters do the same. Most troubling, over the past week on radio filling in for Neal Boortz I’ve heard from dozens of callers, tweeters, Facebook friends, and email correspondents assuring me that Adam Lanza never used the AR-15 in his possession. Most people linked to a video purportedly showing the police retrieving the AR-15 from Adam Lanza’s car after the incident. I don’t blame these people for getting the facts wrong. The media caused a lot of the misinformation in their rush to cover the story. But as the nation begins to set policy (or not) based on this random act of violence, we should all have our facts straight. The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance: "The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance." Let’s keep to the facts, not the grainy videos on YouTube purporting to show what is not true."
Jeff Scott January 18, 2013 at 03:29 pm
You don't listen to the news Lianne? The story about the 'assualt rifle" not being used is just now starting to be reported...weeks after the terrible murders occured...funny how that worked out isn't it? As far as the second person....there is NOTHING being written or said about what I saw and anyone else who watched the coverage saw for themselves....funny how that works too isn't it? As far as Obama pulling the trigger I never said that so don't try putting words in my mouth because every single fact I wrote about is checkable....if you really want to know the truth including the Fast and Furious statement.
Erin January 18, 2013 at 03:54 pm
Jeff - Fast and Furious? A program W started, Holder discontinued. Most documents that were offered for public view, and others offered for private viewing for Rep. Issa and his committee - private to protect the law enforcement officers involved in ongoing investigations. Even though ultimately ALL documents for were offered for viewing just days prior to the vote- Issa declined and decided to hold a Contempt vote anyway. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77433.html
Why? Because just days prior - the NRA notified Congress that they would "Score" the vote - in other words - threatening to torpedo their NRA rating when they went to run for re-election. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/politics/contempt-vote-political-survival/index.html How is this supposedly a Second Amend Rights issue? Fast and Furious is thought by some as part of a conspiracy emanating from the White House (started by Bush apparently) and the Justice Department to turn guns over to Mexican cartels knowing that would provoke a wave of violence, which could then be used to scare Americans into backing more gun regulations. NRA owned Repubs DECLINING the very documents they requested to instead hold a Cabinet member in contempt for the first time in US history and legislate based on conspiracy theory and partisan brinksmanship. Any wonder why Congress has single digit approval ratings?
Erin January 18, 2013 at 04:17 pm
Jeff - be careful what you consider "the news".
According to CT State Police press releases - The "second shooter suspect" in the woods was arrested, questioned, home searched and released by CT SWAT team after finding he was a dad trying to get to daughter. Unless, local, state and FBI investigators are actually "all in on it" - whatever this week's conspiracy is...
Erin January 18, 2013 at 04:37 pm
Kathy - I agree, we need to argue based on the facts. RE: "the movie theater shooting just a few weeks ago where a patron has his weapon on him and shot the bad guy"
The actual story sadly stemmed from yet another case of a domestic dispute. A young man upset over a girlfriend breaking up with him. Jesus Garcia went to his workplace (a Chinese restaurant) to, as he texted ex-girlfriend, "shoot someone". When employees fled and entered a nearby theater, the Garcia pursued, and continued to shoot at them (specifically restaurant employees). Trained, veteran off-duty San Antonio Sargeant Lisa Costellano, who was working Theater security that night, engaged pursuit, shot and subdued Garcia. This was not a random civilian with a concealed carry watching "The Hobbit" who saved the day. "Breakup sparked theater shootout", December 18, 2012 http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Officials-Breakup-sparked-Santikos-shooting-4123414.php
Lianne Mathie January 18, 2013 at 04:54 pm
Links Jeff, links, post the links otherwise it's purely ranting on your part as far as I can tell. I am very well read, so one needs to question your sources and I'm doing just that. Otherwise it's rhetoric, plain and simple.
John January 18, 2013 at 05:26 pm
The founding fathers only considered white men to be "citizens". Should everything they wrote, spoke, or thought go unquestioned?
No one is saying that the people should be disarmed. But why is regulation out of the question?
Erin January 18, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Jeff + Lianne - I just figured out the source of the "new reports/evidence" Jeff is quoting. You guessed it - a Jan. 7th 30 min viral video "Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed!!" from a group of Sandy Hook "Truthers".
These "Truthers" are convinced that the whole thing was, you guessed it again, just like the conspiracy theory of the failed Fast and Furious operation - it was REALLY all staged to drive public support for more gun laws! Sandy Hook Truthers say that Homeland Secuity has a regular stable of "crisis actors" ready to pose and cry with the POTUS. They're also harrassing the Good Samaritan neighbor who took in some of the children who fled the school that day accusing him of lying. Here's a couple of good articles debunking all the crazy Sandy Hook stuff. Including Snopes: "a well-known resource for validating and debunking urban legends, Internet rumors, e-mail forwards, and other stories of uncertain or questionable origin." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-video-debunked_n_2487427.html http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp The week starts out with the NRA's well-funded lobbying arm (Institute for Legislative Action) releasing that desperate ad featuring Obama's daughters (how low can they go???), now the "Truthers" are here with another whopper. Despicable -
Lianne Mathie January 19, 2013 at 12:20 am
Thanks Erin, I really wish this had not devolved in to a gun rights fest. The whole point was mental health and recognizing people within our mist as being troubled and how to identify them. Sadly it's clearer sometimes then others,lol, if you get my drift.
That being said, I wish Ann would have addresses some parents denial that their own children's mental health reflects on them as bad parents. So they choose to ignore the warning signs . Mental illness is so misunderstood and stigmatized that not once in this thread has it been discussed.How do we keep the guns out of the hands of paranoid schizophrenics and other deeply disturbed, unmedicated individuals while preserving individual rights? That, in my opinion is what we should be discussing. Thanks
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