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Joanna VanRaaphorst on Gifted Education

Rochester SAGE asked Joanna VanRaaphorst and Tom McMillin, candidates for State Representative in Michigan's District 45 questions regarding gifted education.  Here are the responses from Democrat Joanna VanRaaphorst.

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Thank you for the opportunity to share with you my views on Special and Gifted Education.  First, I must share that coming from an educator’s family (my late father was a middle school counselor, my late mother-in-law taught advanced high school science and my twin sister currently teaches 5th grade) I feel that ALL children are special and gifted each in their own way. Case in point would be my own two children.  One excelled in math and science while the other’s English and social skills were always off the charts!

As a part of my research on this important topic, I spoke with the following people to answer your questions.  Dr. John Schultz, former school supt., Barb Cenko, former RCS School Board member, Beth Talbert, current school board member, Dr. Zumsteg, interim RCS Supt. and Carolyn Matzinger.

1)     Currently most gifted students in Michigan’s public schools are not being taught at their academic level.  As a legislator, what bills would you support to increase gifted education?

I would be supportive of any bill, which help schools meet the individual needs of our children. This would include special needs children, children in poverty, and gifted and talented children

2)    Gifted students make up about 5-7% of the population.  Should taking a class in teaching gifted students be part of becoming a Highly Qualified Teacher?  Why or why not?

Highly qualified teachers are teachers who teach in their specific area of study.  My understanding is a part of all current teaching training is being able to differentiate for children of various ability levels, including those with higher abilities.

3)    Schools often claim lack of funding is the primary reason they can’t provide gifted education.  Should the state allocate funds for gifted education?  Why or why not?

I am extremely concerned about school funding. I would like to protect the funding sources for all of our students. If we were able to increase overall funding for schools, I would support providing some monies to increase the teaching and learning of gifted and talented students. However, I do not want to allocate funding for one group of students at the expense of another group of students. I think we need a stable and continuous source of funding for all students.

4)    Should the state mandate identification or services for gifted and talented education in public schools?  Why or why not?

I understand from my numerous education friends that identification of gifted and talented children needs to have a multifaceted approach. I would rather local school districts determine research-based identification and services for gifted and talented students rather than leaving this up to the state.

5)    Many parents of gifted children believe gifted charter schools are the best option for properly educating gifted learners.  Would you support gifted charter schools?  Why or why not?

I am supportive of a limited number of charter schools in low achieving and high poverty areas. I have three concerns with a charter school that only accepted children of a certain ability level. One, it is unconstitutional for a public school to turn away students based on ability. Two, I would worry that this type of school in a high achieving district like Rochester would siphon already limited dollars to our Rochester Community Schools. Finally, I would be concerned that the identification process would be so narrow that a child who is both a special needs child and gifted would not be allowed in the school.

I know from my own children’s experience in our public schools here in Rochester that their education was enhanced greatly from interacting with children of all abilities.  In addition, they were able to take advanced classes (AP or honors) in numerous subjects, as did many of their peers. Many of our students start college with quite a few college credits under their belt, including my own.   To me, this interaction with a whole host of children it is the best of all possible solutions.

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You can read more about Joanna VanRaaphorst and her positions on issues that affect our community at www.joannaforrochester.com.

Please join us at Rochester SAGE.  Together we can make a difference for gifted children!

Joshua Raymond

11:57 am on Monday, October 22, 2012

Thank you to Joanna VanRaaphorst for her answers regarding gifted education legislation!

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Erin

10:06 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Joshua - thanks so much for helping us keep informed! It's really important!

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Mike Reno

5:14 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Great... she is taking advice from Schultz, Talbert, Cenko... people who brush aside programs for the advanced, cleverly using phrases like "We are here for ALL children" so as to blunt any criticism of their actions. After all, who can be against "ALL" children?

JVan subscribes to the "differentiation" nonsense... which is akin to admiring The Emperors New Clothes. Every G&T writer, blog, educator, and researcher repeatedly point to the fact that differentiation by and large does not work for G&T children.

In the end, her answers to 3 - 5 sums up her belief that she's simply about more and more money -- no strings attached.

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Marianne Maurer

5:44 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Mike, have you spoken with Joanna about her answers and her sources? If in fact she did speak with the people you mentioned she certainly went to people who have been invested in RCS for a long time.
You accuse her of canned statements yet you have worn out the poor Emperor and his clothes over the past year or so. Mike, I haven't seen you in front of a class and a not sure where your expertise comes from except for speaking with others who feel the same way you do. Nothing wrong with that, but it is the same thing you are accusing Joanna of doing.
Limited dollars are a real issue and nothing comes without cost. The privatization of services have certainly proven that in many instances.
Joanna is a intelligent, hard working, and honorable person. If she is given the chance she will serve the district well. No one said she has all the answers , but she has walked the district finding out what the citizens really want from the person who represents them. Joanna will work at what is best for the schools and the students that attend them.
Maybe you can offer some places she can read about your vision for our schools. Joanna is open to hearing and talking with everyone.

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Joshua Raymond

8:11 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Marianne, Joanna listed her sources in her response.

In regards to differentiation, it often does not take place in the classroom, even in RCS. One only needs to be a parent of a gifted child to discover this. According to one study, students experienced no instructional orcurricular differentiation in 84% of the activities in which they participated in.*

I'm glad Joanna is open to hearing and talking with everyone. Should she be elected, there are many parents of gifted children in RCS that would hope answers beyond differentiation and what is currently standard practice in our district. There are some schools in our district that are much better for gifted learners, but whether a gifted child gets needs met shouldn't be at the discretion of the principal. Fully meeting the needs of gifted students should be the policy of both our district and our state - and it is not.

* http://www.scribd.com/doc/16183922/Sally-Reis-Presentation-for-School-Board-June-8-2009

Lisa

6:52 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Integrity is important. JV puts her signs without permission and has acted as if the RCS Board has endorsed her as well as PTA! Well we have PTSA(s) in Rochester so how well does she know their workings?

A MCFA complaint will be filed on her illegal tactics!

Can JV answer why her husband’s small business refuse to take Medicare patients? Check out the website! Seems like she is talking out of both sides of her mouth saying anything to get elected!

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Kyle

7:03 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

An old and treasured McMillin campaign tactic. Stealing JVR signs and moving them to other spots. Nice try!

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Lisa

7:26 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Yes a old treasured campaign tactic but the City is removing as they are placed in right of way! She must have spent a lot of money -- not what I want in the House! Bad money decisions!

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Dan Welch

7:40 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Well I was going to vote for Romney but I guess I won't now since he has so many signs around town!

Joshua Raymond

7:29 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Let's stick to education on this post. There are plenty of posts that are more political that would be good fits for non-education candidate arguments. Thanks!

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Bonnie Cone

8:10 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I am a former teacher and mother of a member of Mensa. He was placed in a badly planned program for the gifted at a Rochester school. That teacher actually said to me, "Don't you hate sixth grade boys?"
Well, no. I taught sixth grade for 5 years and I thought the boys were delightful. I had gifted children in my class as well as mainstreamed children who were barely at the pre-primer level. It was difficult dealing with such variation in one class. I approached my principal about homogenous grouping. He wisely said we could if I would schedule the students so that they were mixed for their other classes. So I taught Language Arts and the other two teachers taught Science and Social Studies. The scheduling was a nightmare with adding in Art, Music, Gym, Safety Patrols etc. but it worked. The kids needed to be with all sorts of other students.
I think gifted students do best when they are pulled out of class to do challenging projects but they should spend time with the rest of the students as well. How can they understand the struggles of others if they aren't around to see the problems? Also, having gifted students in the class may help other students set goals.

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Joshua Raymond

8:34 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Bonnie, thank you very much for your post on this. I've had more than a few teachers tell me that they don't have enough time to appropriately differentiate for gifted learners. Some schools in our district have ability grouping across classrooms at least on a limited basis, but I would love to see even more. The magnet classrooms in Grosse Pointe work very well for gifted students. Competency-based learning can accelerate gifted learners in the subjects where they excel while keeping them with the rest of the students when that is appropriate.

Unfortunately, pull-out programs often result in gifted students having a few hours a week of gifted learning but the vast majority still unaccelerated. However, I wasn't sure if this style pull-out is what you were referring to.

Bonnie Cone

11:11 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Joshua: I haven't been involved in teaching below the college level for many years. All I know is what worked for me as a teacher and what did not work for my son. I'm sure there are others who have much more current ideas.

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