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Education Edition: What Would You Improve in Rochester Community Schools in 2013?

“We may have a perfectly adequate way of doing something, but that does not mean there cannot be a better way. So we set out to find an alternative way. This is the basis of any improvement that is not fault correction or problem solving.”
― Edward De Bono, Six Thinking Hats

A recent article on Rochester Patch asked "As millions of Americans make resolutions to improve their lives, what could we do right here in Rochester and Rochester Hills to make it an even better place to live?"

What about our schools?  This was scarcely addressed in the comments.

Dr. Robert Shaner is starting soon as our new superintendent.  Part of his transition plan is listening to parents, teachers, and community members to better understand our needs and goals.

I believe this should be the Year of the Parent in Rochester Community Schools.  As we transition to a new superintendent, this should be a year for parents to become more involved in their children's education.  Take this year to learn more about what is happening in your children's classrooms, schools, and district.  Volunteer there in some capacity.  Improve your relationship with your children's teachers.  Make your voice heard and let administration know what you value in your schools.

Some of my suggestions include:

  • Monthly meetings with the Board of Education trustee responsible for each school.  BOE trustees would rotate among the three schools they are responsible for, holding meetings where parents, teachers, and students could ask questions, get information, or hold discussions.  This would provide a venue where all parties are comfortable and an opportunity to discuss issues relevant to that particular school.
  • Parents on committees for curriculum, athletics, budget, safety, leadership, etc.  While the teachers and administrators on these committees possess considerable expertise, parents have an insight into their children that is vital for creating the best education for students.  Having parents of elementary, middle, and high school students will bring a needed perspective and foster cooperation between parents and administration.
  • Increased parent-teacher communication.  The more a parent knows about how and what their child is doing, the more a parent can assist at home.  Some districts have automated much of this so that a parent can go online and check to get precise updates on their children.  It is also important to address any issues early to prevent learning delays, behavioral issues, or developing into a larger problem.
  • Courses for parents on how they can best help their children achieve in school.  The Rochester Education Association has put together Teacher Tips for Parents, a worthwhile read on how to help your children succeed.  A class or two for parents at the beginning of the year, in addition to curriculum night, explaining how parents can best assist with homework and student attitudes and  providing information on parent-teacher communication and the importance of addressing any issues early could help parents unsure on how to make this a very successful year for their children.
  • Pre-test results included on report cards.  Both the starting point and the ending point are required to determine growth. This could help shift the educational aim from proficiency to growth.  A student who has moved from 20% to 80% has improved significantly more than a student who moves from 80% to 85%.  It will also raise the question "If a student already knows 80% of the curriculum, is this class right for him?"
  • Standards-based learning where students have a homeroom and head to other classrooms for individual subjects based on ability and learning rate.  Several school districts have implemented standards-based learning, allowing students to work at their natural paces and ensuring students know a subject before moving to the next level.  While this program requires a strong commitment to implement, districts that have usually have seen significant increases in academic success.
  • Magnet programs for STEM, International Baccalaureate, Arts & Music, Gifted Education, and other centers.  These programs should be elementary through high school, meeting the needs and interests of the variety of students in our district.  The large size of our district should be used to accommodate the diverse needs of all students by providing programs adapted to them.
  • Summer classes for students looking to advance a grade or intensively study an additional subject.  In RCS, it is difficult to skip a grade.  To accelerate in math, students must know 90% of the curriculum they would skip.  A summer class would allow students who know the majority of the curriculum to learn only what they do not know instead of repeating material they are already proficient on.  A student could also enroll in a class or an elective that interests them that they would not have time to study during the standard class schedule.  By retaining the current fee structure for the Summer Learning Program, this would have no additional cost to the district.

 

What is on your wish list? Tell us in the comments below and join the conversation!

Eddie Schodowski

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

In regards to summer classes, the Summer Learning Program (SLP) through RCS is a joke. It doesn't focus on student comprehension of the material, but on getting through the necessary benchmarks, and regurgitating the student out of the process with little additional knowledge from before. That is, for STEM related classes. Trying to learn a years worth of physics, chemistry, or mathematics in a few weeks can be done - but not through the SLP. I recommend auto-didacticism all the time, and testing out with exam for credit tests. Exam for credit tests are too easy to say that a student is well-prepared for the next course, though. You need a 77% or higher on the test, and you receive high school credit. It's a nice way to get more credit, but it does not compare to the year long high school classes, though. Perhaps honors science classes might be an interesting addition to RCS.

In regards to self-education, I've found the following links to be overwhelmingly helpful:
http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
http://www.khanacademy.org/
http://patrickjmt.com/
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/
http://thenewboston.org/
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/
http://quizlet.com/

And, of course, the materials at the Rochester Hills Public Library along with MelCat.

If RCS really wants to beef up students to prepare for STEM jobs, I'd recommend a stronger science / computer programming / CAD program.

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Eddie Schodowski

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

This is an idealistic, but incredibly innovative and helpful new way to teach as proposed by Salman Khan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OtSs2xEpzY&feature=player_embedded

I think the problem with implementing new education techniques in a place like RCS is that RCS is too formalized and it already has its inertia in the way it's been run. Educational change is necessary, but no one seems to know a practical way to go about it.

The teachers know many ways to better the education of students, but not all of them have the experience in educational policy that they would need to implement change through RCS's administration. RCS's administration doesn't always have as much educational experience as teachers...

If we want to better things, I wouldn't recommend getting parents involved. It's about the education of the students. I'd recommend getting teachers and students involved.

The students will not grow if they are coddled by mommy and daddy. http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/26/entertainment/ca-8418

If you want students to be more innovative and stronger in STEM, RCS could actually interest them and allow them more leeway with things like internships with local companies. School gives you theory, but theory is pointless if you don't have apply it to practice.

I wouldn't advocate parents getting more involved in educational policy. I would advocate students and teachers doing so. It's their education - allow them the leeway to take ownership of it.

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Eddie Schodowski

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Consider cutting pointless things at Rochester High School like "Social Break" and implement a day or two each semester on new ideas for educational policy. Have the students in each grade go into the auditorium at different times, and allow them to share their ideas with an open mic.

As far as education goes, we must prepare for teamwork.

Some schools allow an option that if you get over a 90% each marking period, you do not have to take the final exam. This would REALLY galvanize students to do better. I would recommend team projects in classes and presentations, as that is what most tend to fail at when they get to the real world where they *must* collaborate.

Ideas for different departments:

Social Studies - If a student is interested in government, why always learn from the book when the Rochester Hills City Hall is right down the street? Organize field trips where kids can ask questions and learn more about government in practice. http://www.rochesterhills.org/

STEM - I cannot stress enough how much learning these concepts are supplemented when seeing their real world applications. The Rochester Regional Chamber of Commerce has a list that shows there are more STEM businesses in the area than you would think. http://rochesterregionalchamberofcommerce.chambermaster.com/list
See if they can integrate into RCS and teach students the real world applications of theory. This will make better students and smarter future businesspeople.

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Eddie Schodowski

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Very few students know they can go to RACE and take classes at night to pass out of school requirements that may be less related to their future major.

In regards to the arts, there does exist Avon Players Community Theater and Paint Creek Center for the Arts that students can better their artistic abilities at.
http://www.pccart.org/
http://avonplayers.org/

Don't forget the fact that there are very educated teachers at each high school, and the three colleges in the area: OU, OCC, Rochester College.
http://www.oakland.edu/
http://www.oaklandcc.edu/
http://www.rc.edu/

There's also Oakland Technical Schools that seems to be underutilized. That's a great example of students being actually prepared with hands on experience learning something practical, whether it be nursing, automobiles, cosmetology, and so on.
http://www.ostconline.com/

I don't think Rochester and Rochester Hills lacks materials to better education. There's a lot to offer in these great two cities.

What RCS lacks is honest communication about what we want out of education, and all of the opportunities that are offered. How many students know going into high school that correspondence classes, RACE night classes, exam for credit tests, and so on, are offered in the counseling office? Not enough, that's for sure.

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Debra Hartman

3:34 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

To clarify: Students may take classes at RACE as part of a credit recovery program to be granted an RCS diploma, however, students who are part of a graduating cohort at our three high schools may not take classes for credit at RACE. Rochester Community Schools offers RCS students non-tradtional credit opportunities such as online courses, dual enrollment, and credit by exam, as well as the opportunity to test out of courses.

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Joshua Raymond

5:01 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Mrs. Hartman, thank you for the information and clarification.

Eddie Schodowski

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I apologize for writing so much, but I think that parents aren't the ones going through the educational process, and it seems like they gripe about it more than they give concrete, helpful advice on how to pragmatically improve it.

Let's start getting the students involved. It's their education, after all. Let's do this for them, and have them help take ownership of their education. They're smarter kids than you could ever imagine, and a heck of a lot smarter than they're treated. They just need to be treated like the adults that they can grow up and become.

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Joshua Raymond

4:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Eddie, thank you for your thoughtful and detailed responses. As a parent of elementary students, I was looking at it from that perspective. I certainly agree that student input would be very valuable, particularly in the upper grades. High school students having an active role in discussions on how our schools are run would be great. If Rochester Hills recognizes the importance of having students involved, Rochester Community Schools certainly should also.

Parents also have a perspective worth listening to. Having worked with many college-age interns, I appreciate how Detroit Cristo Rey High School has students work at professional jobs once a week, providing the experience you cited and helping them to learn appropriate behavior in the office. Having breezed through school until I hit walls in college and the workplace, experience serves me when talking with gifted youth who enjoy the ease of high school, not realizing that this can set them up for difficulty later. I do not doubt their intelligence, but experience gained from living the consequences of decisions is also an important factor.

Since you appear to have a good understanding of many of the opportunities available to high school students in RCS and the view of someone who is right there, have you considered blogging about these opportunities and others you would like to see happen?

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Joshua Raymond

4:10 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Salman Khan has some great ideas in education. Flipping is being employed in a few districts in the area and Dave Richards, superintendent of Fraser, discussed at his interview using iPads for individualized instruction in the Fraser schools. I hope that RCS will look at these as techniques that can improve "differentiation" in our schools.

While I do believe that these methods have great merit, they may not be the best for all and they need to be implemented with caution. I've taken a number of the Khan Academy courses and found that they were lacking in some aspects that are vital to student learning.

Back in middle and high school, I ended up taking geometry twice. The first time, in eighth grade, since I was the only student in the course, I read the book and asked questions of the teacher when necessary. Video lectures are a different medium, but similar in content. In ninth grade, I started high school, my scores were sufficient to be in Algebra II with the juniors, but school administration recommended I take a combination Honors Geometry/Algebra II course with sophomores to minimize the age difference and receive an extra point for my GPA. I did not learn significantly from the instructor as the material was the same, but the questions my classmates asked provided a new depth to the course that I missed the first time.

I do strongly recommend the use of technology in the classroom, but we must understand what it does and doesn't provide.

Reggie

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Incorporae Foreign Language into the Elementary School program. Current guidelines for graduation require 2 years of the same languare and this can be fulfilled at any grade and allow our High School students additional electives such as band, choir and art or more challenging course work.

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Joshua Raymond

4:16 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Reggie, that is an excellent idea. Elementary is a great time to learn a foreign language and it would free up time for other electives. In high school, I ended up dropping the second semester of Spanish 3 in order to take microeconomics. I wish I could have done both!

Eddie Schodowski

8:22 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

"Since you appear to have a good understanding of many of the opportunities available to high school students in RCS and the view of someone who is right there, have you considered blogging about these opportunities and others you would like to see happen?"

No.

"Back in middle and high school, I ended up taking geometry twice. The first time, in eighth grade, since I was the only student in the course, I read the book and asked questions of the teacher when necessary. Video lectures are a different medium, but similar in content. In ninth grade, I started high school, my scores were sufficient to be in Algebra II with the juniors, but school administration recommended I take a combination Honors Geometry/Algebra II course with sophomores to minimize the age difference and receive an extra point for my GPA. I did not learn significantly from the instructor as the material was the same, but the questions my classmates asked provided a new depth to the course that I missed the first time.

I do strongly recommend the use of technology in the classroom, but we must understand what it does and doesn't provide."

Typically, when you take something twice, that tends to happen. The more material you go over, the better you get at it. I'm not saying technology is the answer - I'm saying it's something that's very underutilized.

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Joshua Raymond

7:50 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

While repeating can provide new insights, the cooperative and project-based learning you mentioned does as well. One advantage of a traditional classroom is discussion of a topic presents views not considered. This would be hard to replicate in a video-based lecture. For example, in a college science fiction class I took, a student pointed out the the short story "Arena" by Fredric Brown was an allegory for the Japanese-American conflicts of World War II. This would not have occurred in a video lecture as the professor was unaware of it.

http://arthursclassicnovels.com/brown-f/arena10.html

BTW, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on many of these, but hashing out possibilities and refining my views.

Eddie Schodowski

8:22 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

"While I do believe that these methods have great merit, they may not be the best for all and they need to be implemented with caution. I've taken a number of the Khan Academy courses and found that they were lacking in some aspects that are vital to student learning."

I didn't mean that Khan Academy should be used in order to teach the entire course. It's a great resource that is underutilized.

My recommendation for using media is to videorecord courses from RCS across each district. If we can't find supplemental material that meets that standards RCS needs, then let's make it. If RCS puts up its classes on video, students that need to review material can watch it, and students that are not currently in the class can watch it to get ahead to prepare for testing out or sheer interest. Putting up syllabi and homework assignments would also be a beneficial resource to students. It would not interfere with the current academic structure of RCS.

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Joshua Raymond

7:50 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

I agree with you. I think technology can be of great benefit in RCS. My concern is I've seen enough "great new methods" that turned out to be worse than what existed. I've also seen plenty that were better. Innovation always carries with it a risk of failure, but it is still vital to undertake that innovation. Thorough research and understanding the methods can reduce the risk of failure or make the innovation more successful.

Eddie Schodowski

8:22 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

"Having breezed through school until I hit walls in college and the workplace, experience serves me when talking with gifted youth who enjoy the ease of high school, not realizing that this can set them up for difficulty later. I do not doubt their intelligence, but experience gained from living the consequences of decisions is also an important factor."

I don't understand what you're recommending to implement.

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Joshua Raymond

8:56 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I'm recommending that both parents and students have a voice. Students bring one perspective. Parents bring another. For example, many students may view easy courses as better, whereas parents may view them as not preparing students for life in the workplace.

Eddie Schodowski

7:51 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

"I'm recommending that both parents and students have a voice. Students bring one perspective. Parents bring another. For example, many students may view easy courses as better, whereas parents may view them as not preparing students for life in the workplace."

I think you'd be a tad surprised if you went into today's classrooms. You're implying that a lot of these students are not cognizant of their decisions, when most of them are pushing themselves with nearly all AP classes.

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Joshua Raymond

10:34 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

Pushing themselves with nearly all AP classes sounds like many of my friends and me. It was fun entering college with 37 credits - until I realized that my AP classes had ate up most of my electives and had me paying junior/senior tuition very early on. Even those who went on to MIT and Cornell ended up making some stupid mistakes because we did not have the benefit of the wisdom that experience brings. Of course, we also considered ourselves cognizant of our decisions and arrogantly dismissed those with experience. Technology may change, but human nature rarely does.

Having younger siblings still in college, I've witnessed their attitudes and attitudes of their friends. Most are not involved in learning how our municipal governments run. Many have placed other interests such as sports or dating far above academics or future employment. As you said, not enough know about RACE night classes or other options available to them. Intelligence is only one component - and often not the most important component - of decision making.

It is very easy to dismiss the previous generation as out of touch, a mistake born out of lack of wisdom and experience. Instead of seeking out those who possess similar experience levels, seek out a diversity so that you may learn from others. I welcome the insight of high school students on committees, but hope that they will value the experience parents bring as well.

Eddie Schodowski

7:51 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

It's probably hard to know this because your children aren't in high school.

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Meredith McCutcheon

9:16 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Joshua, this is a very thoughtful article, and I thank you for writing it. I just wanted to comment, however, that I think that RCS teachers do an amazing job of communicating with parents. My children attend Brewster, and our teachers have always communicated frequently with me about their progress. They've even e-mailed me if my second-grader seems sad one day or if my kindergartener appears to be coming down with a cold. My son (the second-grader) is a little young for his grade, but all three of his teachers (past and present) have done an excellent job of identifying his strengths and his weaknesses...and providing extra support when necessary to make sure that he is challenged in the areas in which he excels and that he stays on track in the areas in which he struggles. We feel extraordinarily fortunate to be in a district with such dedicated, talented educators who go that extra mile to communicate with us on an almost daily basis.

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Joshua Raymond

8:37 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Meredith, having been at two schools and a number of different teachers for my daughters, there appears to be quite the range of communication based on school and teacher. We were impressed in moving to the new school that we received daily updates for the class from both teachers. Previous updates had typically been weekly and varied from very complete to very sparse.

Where probably all updates fall short is in differentiation. I wouldn't expect a teacher to write separate notes to the parents of the few kids that are ahead and the few that are behind, but it can leave those parents wondering what happened in class that day or week and was new material learned.

Some districts have this mostly available on the web, particularly when iPads or other technology is used for differentiation. Parents can view exactly what their children worked on that day and how well they are mastering it. We are not there technologywise, but it is a step we should be looking at.

Cheryl Junker

9:16 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Thank you again Joshua for your insight and very thought provoking discussion. As parents, we all want the best for our children. We also have to accept at some point, though, that not everything is up to us. Our kids have to find their way. What seems perfect for one child, may not be the right fit for the next kid. I could reflect ad nauseum, but will refrain for now.

As far as early education, there are a few suggestions I would like to make. First of all, our children need more time outdoors....period!! Movement and sunlight are fabulous antidotes to much of the behavioral conditions we are seeing in our schools including ADD, depression ect. Seratonin levels and dopamine levels rise with vertical and rotating motion. If we could release these neurotransmitters naturally through physical activity, think of the number of children who could be taken off of meds. It sickens me to see how many of our children are on any number of SSRIs. Enough said!

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Cheryl Junker

9:16 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Secondly, on a lighter note, I would like to make a suggestion for curriculum. I would like to the sciences strengthened in the early grades. They do a good job overall, however, I feel much time is wasted in kindergarten and first grade. When my girls were little, I would take them to Dinosaur Hill and Cranbrook for weekly classes. They loved the hands on activities and outdoor interaction. It would be fabulous if we could better utilize Dinosaur Hill or even develop a science department within each elementary school that could emulate such programs. I would like to see science treated as a special just as gym, art and music. Perhaps even a program which included multiple grade levels where projects were developed and carried out by groups made up of 2 or more grades. I would like to see a 'science' team in each school that concentrates exclusively on this subject matter. This is time to plant the seeds of enthusiasm. Just a thought.

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Joshua Raymond

8:37 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Strengthening science in elementary would be great! It often seems to be neglected, possibly because it is only tested in 5th and 8th grades for the MEAP or because it is not a category in No Child Left Behind. It would be great to see it taught by dedicated teachers like art, music, and gym are. (I happen to believe that we should focus on the strengths of teachers and the subjects they are best at educating in by having them teach that subject to multiple classes, even in elementary.)

I've also suggested that we have STEM programs in elementary through high school. This could tie with the physical activity you mentioned above by having "Makers" classes where students learn science through assembling robots, experiments, and other objects. Kids seem to be born with a love of science, but don't seem to encounter enough in elementary school to for most keep that love into middle and high school. I think a solid elementary science program would help keep more girls in the STEM fields.

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Jennifer Eliassen

10:42 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

To Ms. Junker, I am happy to see your comment about science in elementary. We just moved here from Farmington Hills and my elementary-aged children attended a fabulous preschool, yes preschool, that had it's own science teacher and science room. This preschool, Alameda, is located in a former elementary school and is populated with hundreds of preschoolers, all exposed to science at an early age. The science room had a dozen live animals the kids learned about and could "check out" like a library book (bird, rabbit, spiders, turtle, etc.) to take one home on the weekend to care for. They had sand boxes for digging things up, a similar rock box for painting rocks with water. They used magnifying glasses, microscopes, watched popcorn pop. The science teacher arranged for every classroom to hatch chicks from eggs. The kids had a science fair that was largely parent driven and messy, but an amazing experience for all - no judging and everyone got a ribbon. Each classroom prepared a display as well, such as growing grass in a closet and in the sun, to see the difference. Science included many nature walks through an outdoor nature center the kids love. I could go on and on. I must say when my kids started elementary in the last couple of years, I was surprised there wasn't a dedicated science teacher.

Cheryl Junker

9:16 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

I would like to say, that overall, I have been very pleased with our Elementary school experience. We have wonderful teachers who really care and are passionate. I was sorry to see so many retire last year. We will miss them dearly. I concur with Meredith on the communication aspect. My girls' teachers have been fabulous. Our teachers have also done a wonderful job at identifying appropriate teachers for my girls. Having the right fit makes all the difference in the world.

Middle school proves to be a challenge as predicted. Letting my daughter make her own mistakes has been the most difficult aspect of parenting. I am accepting that this too is part of the learning process. And, like yourself, I was also taking geometry independently in 9th grade so have high standards for my daughter. I also recognize that much of my success came from internal motivation. Whether or not a child takes Calculus in 11th grade or 12th grade or at all for that matter is rather inconsequential in the long run. The most important aspect of mastering math is that the foundation is strong. Pushing kids through prematurely is counterproductive on so many levels.

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Cheryl Junker

9:16 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Perhaps, if our schools lightened up on their overall high school graduation requirements, we wouldnt risk diluting such classes in order to push maximum children through. Not everyone needs Calculus. Those that do, deserve a strong foundation! Despite the push for math and sciences in this country, we need to recognize that these are not the only fields of specialty that are necessary to move our country forward. Learning is a lifelong process! Cliche, to be sure but oh so true!

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Mike Reno

3:51 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Math is the gateway to higher-order thinking, and is not just an end unto itself.

http://www.breakthroughcollaborative.org/sites/default/files/Advanced%20Math%20research%20brief.pdf

We are doing our kids a great disservice with the weak curriculum we currently offer, it is hard to understand how lightening-up is going to prepare our children for college or a meaningful career. And it is hard to see how it is going to boost self-esteem over the long run when they become adults, and see the rest of the whizzing past them, taking the rewarding and high-paying jobs because they were not prepared.

College affordability is an issue, but so is preparedness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiRGRvE_Wqg

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Mike Reno

4:08 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

And the hope that we “lighten-up” is alive and well. Several years ago we had over one-third of our 8th graders taking Geometry… then our district watered down the program, and the last statistics I saw showed that it is now less than 5% of our 8th graders taking Geometry.

From the report link I provided above, they recommend 8th grade Algebra as the STANDARD. In California, Algebra is the standard course for 8th graders. In Rochester, it is considered "advanced."

Conclusion:
Taking advanced math in high school, leading up to and including Calculus, is important not only because this course-taking pattern is a strong predictor of college attendance and completion, but also because studying higher-level math teaches students skills such as abstraction, logic, metacognition and problem-solving that are critical skills for any field. Therefore Algebra in 8th grade “is the “gateway” course not just because it as a prerequisite for many high school and postsecondary math, science, engineering, and technology courses, but because it is an intellectual gateway to abstract reasoning.”

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Cheryl Junker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mike, I understand what you are saying. I should have elaborated as I realize that this would trigger all kinds of backlash. Let me qualify my statements by clarifying that while I took Calculus in my junior year of high school, not all students are qualified to do so. Requiring ALL students to take such a class only contributes to unnecessary angst amongst those parents whose children who are clearly not prepared for such a course by the time they are 16 or 17. And furthermore, pushing these unprepared kids through only serves to undermine the purpose of the course and is a disservice to those who are mentally ready. My roommate from college went to Bronx Science Prep school in Manhatten and guess what? She only took math through Algebra 1. She majored in English.

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Cheryl Junker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I am sure we would all like to see Rochester's student's be globally competitive and college bound. That is a very worthy goal. But lets step back for a moment and look at the big picture. Our schools are continuously being compared to Finland for instance. Yet, despite Finland's high math scores, when viewed closer, you see that they are derived from the college/University bound High Schools and do not take into account that a percentage of the student populace has already been diverted into Technical schools by the age of 14.

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Cheryl Junker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

cont. #3
I was a Rotary exchange student in Finland in the early eighties for a year. I took math, chemistry, French and English at the High School. I attended an elementary class to learn the Finnish language ( they begin teaching languages at 7 ) and attended a class at the Technical School where I helped teach the students English (one of my exchange moms was a teacher there). To graduate from High School, all students must pass a proficiency exam for which they are given a month off to prepare. There are a variety of educational options in their country as there are here. And yet, we assume that because all of our students are not college bound, we have somehow failed our students. By that standard, Finland has as well.

My point is, that while we are competing on a global level against countries such as Finland, we must keep our college preparatory classes competitive and avoid diluting content in order to pass every student through. Keep our college prep classes challenging to maintain high standards every step of the way!

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Cheryl Junker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

#4 cont.
I did not say weakening curriculum is the answer. I recommend strengthening curriculum but maintaining realistic expectations. Not every child is going to be an engineer. Neither are they all going to be writers or lawyers for that matter. Every child has strengths and weaknesses. I discovered early that I enjoyed and excelled in math. I have friends who are lawyers, doctors, writers, technical directors, computer scientists ect. ect. While I am sure they all had the opportunity to take Calculus in high school, I can tell you that they all did not!

Yes, we need to have a strong curriculum and offer a variety of opportunities but having good guidance counselors and flexible graduation requirements will go a long way to providing the support that each and every student needs to achieve their goals.

Cheryl Junker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

#5 cont.
If California has such high standards, then why is it that all of my friends living in the Silicon Valley send their kids to private schools? I would think that of all places in California, Silicon Valley would have the best public schools. My only friend out there who sends her kids to public schools lives in LaCanada.

If we are not careful, we could be in the same situation. If class sizes explode due to budget cuts, we too could have gangs in the suburbs as they do in California. I suspect California schools are not exactly an example we should emulate.

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James Redd

12:59 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

http://www.lcusd.net//site/Default.aspx?PageID=2535

Cheryl,
LaCanada is NOWHERE close to Silicon Valley. It does, however, have the best Schools in California

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Cheryl Junker

2:15 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

James, I do not falsify information! There is no point in doing so! LaCanada is a northern suburb of Los Angeles. I spent four years in Grad School in California and have a great number of friends living and raising families throughout the CA . While I went to school in Los Angeles, many of my friend settled in Silicon Valley. (Los Gatos, Cupertino, Palo Alto and the Bay Area.) No, I am not an expert on their schools, but while I was visiting friends in Los Gatos, I was surprised to hear about the competitive nature of their private schools. My friends described parents interviewing schools and rating them based on their child's probabilities of getting into Harvard. That seemed a bit extreme as we are talking about 5 year olds. But so it goes in the Valley I guess!

I recognize how fortunate I have been to have experienced so much in my lifetime already. I have the highest of hopes for my children and this Country which is why I am fighting for our public schools. The are the foundation for everything!

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Cheryl Junker

2:15 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

And James.... Thanks for the link. It is interesting to see which schools (according to your study) ranked highest in CA. Have you seen the income levels of these communities?

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Cheryl Junker

2:15 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013

Oh, and just because I lived in LA for 4 years without seeing one movie star, they do exist apparently! My friend who lives in LaCanada said she met Angela Bassett while waiting for parent teacher conferences:)

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Lee Zendel

2:00 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I note that in Joshau Reynold's original article he did not mention teachers at all. Surprising !
Following are links to two articles, one about the differences good teachers have made in the future lives of their students beyond high school and a second article to quote the author how college schools of education are the "slums" of the university.
My children, both the product of RCS, have done very well. However it seemed that in high school every semester they would have one teacher who couldn't teach their way out of a paper bag and obviously didn't care. Everyone knew it but there was either no way to get rid of that failure of a teacher or no one in authority cared.

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/03/11/walter-williams-educational-rot/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/standard-tests-do-reveal-which-teachers-are-best.html

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Joshua Raymond

11:28 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Lee, while I did include a number of suggestions at the top, the purpose of this blog entry was to draw out other suggestions from community members. I'm glad you have contributed. As you have pointed out a problem you see, I would be interested in reading a proposed solution. I believe part of this issue has been fixed with changes to the tenure law. Do those changes address the need sufficiently or are more changes needed?

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Mike Reno

11:28 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Joshua was probably smart to avoid it because it's pretty tough to talk about the teaching profession, or offer any perspective on potential improvements, without getting accused of "bashing". If you are trying to have a productive conversation about education, it's best to avoid that particular topic in these kinds of public forums.

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