Yes, please keep the stop sign at Water and University. It helps a ton. Traffic gets going way too fast in that stretch and it is never patrolled by the Rochester Police.

Seems like a good decision as that intersection seems like it could be trouble without the 4-way stop yet it won't hold up traffic either. It can be crazy at certain times of the day and not very busy at others. Thanks, for once I'm agreeing with installing a new stop sign.

It does make it a little harder to turn left from Olde Town onto University though.

Like anywhere else that stop signs are perceived to be in the best interests, speed studies should be required before a permanent TCO is issued. Several studies have shown that the speed actually increases near stop signs to make up for having to stop. That location handles varying amounts of traffic depending on the time of day. If speed studies show that the drivers don't actually speed up to make up for the time in stopping, it may make sense to make the 4 way stop permanent. If they don't show an added benefit, revert back to the 2 way stop.

Sign pollution is as bad as any other pollution and often leads to the same bad consequences. RPD or Oakland County TIA should complete speed studies of the current 4 way stop. Base the decision of 2 way or 4 way stop off of actual results, not just what some people may think sounds good.

Good improvements...make all these temporary Stop signs permanent....!

The stop sign at 3rd and Pine really needs to go! Rarely is there any traffic heading down Pine.

Yes, keep the stop sign at University and Water...

and keep the allies one way.....somebody covered the do not enter signs north of 3rd behind the meeting house with black plastic bags......

Thanks to the city for leaving the stop sign there. It is a much needed improvement.

Keep them but only if you teach people how to use them! I'm amazed at how many think that it should go in order of arrival : /

Why not just make it an automatic stop at every intersection? I was behind an old lady last week who stopped whether there was a sign or not. In fact she was so polite she'd stop when she didn't have a sign and wave the person who did to go ahead. Isn't that great? You just can't be too careful after all. It's still faster than a horse.

What does Lisa Smith mean? I was taught that you do proceed according to arrival at a stop sign.

I say take the signs down. It actually causes a backup at that intersection that was never a problem before. I think it also causes confusion because the 3rd and water sign was taken down but this one stayed.

Slow down! At least pay attention. Make all perrmanent. Add one at First & Wilcox.

The signs at Water and University are a big help for those trying to exit from Olde Towne to University. I vote to keep them up.

Is the intersection of Water and University really that busy that a stop sign is required 1 block from a traffic light? I agree with Nicole, it creates back up. The traffic flowed just fine before through this area.

1) Take the signs down.
2) Also, stop signs are either "all-way" or just plain. There shouldn't be any 2-way, 3-way, 4-way, etc.
3) While we are on traffic, make the stop lights blink at hours when there are few people on the roads. Sitting at Adams and Tienken at 4 am waiting for a light when I can't see any cars is silly.

Keep them all! Traffic hasn't backed up on University since Main has reopened.
May I also suggest puttin another at University and Olde Town (library traffic). Is there also a way to keep assholes from doing 40 mph, or faster, on that stretch of University? Everyone seems to think it ok to haul-ass the ought there, ignore the crosswalk, and fly through all three stop signs on Elizabeth (also Miller) to get to Parkdale. I'm sick of my subdivision acting as a passthrough for speeding assholes. Is there any way we could encourage drivers to use the proper bypasses (Main/Romeo and Main/Second)?

Also, before someone gets killed, can we add a traffic light at the Lifetime entrance on Main? Also allow (make) South Hill Plaza, McDonalds, and other businesses to tie into the Lifetime driveway so people can safely turn out of there. I almost broadsided three cars that all decided to pull out of the area parking lots at the same time. One person recklessly pulled in front of me, thus prompting two others to do the same, from the other parking lots, without realizing I was even there.

Seems like an odd spot for a speed bump, Todd. I think the stop sign was a wise choice.

The city won't take any of them away. It just gives the city a new source of revenue when the police start writing tickets for people who don't stop. Here's an idea, since Oakland county loves round-abouts, how about putting one at University and Water.

I travel that route almost daily for over 30 years. I feel the stop signs on water street are required and make sense but to create a four way stop at that intersection makes no sense at all. If you are travelling East on University between 4:30 and 6:30 the traffic sometime backs up clear to Main street and slows trafic down and making it difficult to come out of East st and Dominos for evening supper deliveries or pick up. Andy Sakmar

Yes, please keep the stop sign at Water & University. If our town is supposed to be pedestrian friendly, we need that crosswalk. If I want to run a few errands and am already parked in one of the municipal lots behind the businesses, I would have to go back to Main Street to cross University to get to the Post Office, the Library or Catching Fireflies. The crosswalk there is very convenient and I have obviously noticed cars going a lot slower turning into Water St. to get to the Post Office and the Library. Besides, aren't the Leader Dogs the pride of our city, yet we are not making more areas of our city to pedestrian-friendly to accommodate them?

A little off topic...I think the 45mph speed limit on the stretch from the bridge south past all the auto dealers and business on south Rochester road is too fast. It was probably Okay 15 years ago. Now passing through there are so many cars turning across your nose in a short distance it is dangerous. It is so bad I don't try to turn left from McDonald's most of the time - I turn right and go loop around somewhere or make a big circle back north on Livernois. It should be 35 from the bridge to Avon. Some people just can't make themselves push on the gas pedal for the hill so you get a mix of 30 to 50 mph traffic that makes turning difficult to judge.

It's all about Traffic volume. 20-25 years ago, Romeo and Oakland township didn't have 100's/1000's of new homes... it was farm land. Rochester Road is one of the only main routes north. The entire section of road way from South Hill Bridge south to Troy needs to be a boulevard, like Troy is slowly doing from Big Beaver north to Square Lake Road. You'll eliminate left turns and it would be much safer for all that traffic and business.

The stop signs on University need to go. Traffic backs up to Main St. and it makes it hard to turn left onto the street by the jewelers when going west on University. Then traffic backs up with that!

The stop sign at 3rd and Pine should stay. We happen to live on 3rd street and have small children that play outside. Our street is often used as a cut through street by many that are looking to avoid main street. In fact, so many cars cut through in the morning that I sometimes have to wait more than 5-10 minutes just to back out of my own driveway. Cars tend to speed down our street in a hurry to cut through without ever slowing down, even when they see the neighborhood children at play outside. We love the stop sign, it slows these cars down. Maybe, so many vehicles won't cut through on our street anymore. It would be a tragedy if one of these children gets struck by a speeding vehicle. After all, this is a residential area for some of us.

Please remove the stop sign at Water and University and move it to Olde Towne and University, it's impossible to turn left onto University from Olde Towne and it seems more likely a spot for a stop sign.