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UPDATE: McDonald's Robbery Happened Outside Restaurant

The suspect was last seen driving away in a grey Grand Prix.

 

Editor's note: This story was updated with more information on Jan. 9 from a version posted Jan. 8.

A man dressed in a black hoodie and a black hat stole three bank bags of money from a bank courier transporting money from a Rochester Hills McDonald's on Monday afternoon, police say.

According to a report from the Oakland County Sheriff's Office, the incident happened at 12:53 p.m. Monday outside the Rochester Road McDonald's, north of Avon Road.

The victim told sheriff's deputies "that a gun was never seen but thought the responsible had one," the report stated. The suspect, who was about 5-foot-5-inches and in his 20s, fled the scene in a grey, four-door Grand Prix and was last seen driving toward the parking lot of a nearby fitness center, according to the report.

According to Sheriff's Office Lt. Steve Jacobs, the suspect knocked the courier to the ground and knocked the bank bags out of his hand, then fled. The courier was not injured. Jacobs said there is no evidence that the suspect had a gun.

Rochester Patch will post more information as it becomes available.

Related Topics: Rochester Hills crime

Peter Griffin

10:47 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Could we get an approx weight, race, build, and year of the car to go with the height of the robber --- maybe then vigilant citizens could keep an eye out at other local restaurants for people fitting that description.

BTW --- maybe it was the Hamburgular (disgruntled??) in a hoodie. Maybe Mayor McCheese should beef up security???

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Richard Happening

11:33 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

He was reportedly trying to steal refillable cups, but couldn't locate them and just took the cash instead.

brian t. dogge

10:49 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I think they heard him say "robble - robble - robble" when he was leaving.....

Michele Manhire

8:16 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

What is going on in Rochester?? This guy was 5'-5", seemingly didn't brandish a weapon, and yet somehow acquired three bags of money from this place. I have a feeling McDonald's has some sort of 'safety of the employees' rule, where management has to simply hand over the money if asked. I'm curious to hear the rest of the details... perhaps this story was reported upon too prematurely. I think it sends a really scarey message to the sort of people who are committing these robberies. C'mon in! We've got what you want... just ask!

David Gifford

9:06 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Rochester must appear to be easy pickings to thieves.

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Mary Lou Carney

10:52 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I agree with David G. Rochester and Rochester Hills must be an easy target.

brian t. dogge

11:37 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Weren't there any "men" in the restaurant -- come on people...5'5" and no gun. Someone could have taken him down.

How about a better description of the suspect; or is the Patch taking its PC approach so as not to offend anyone??? (very weak stance) A better description would help us look for him if he were to come into the BK, Arby's, KFC or other restaurants in the area.

What was his race, build, weight, hair color (if it stuck out under the hoodie), etc.

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Kristin Bull

12:35 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

It's true that our policy is to only include a suspect's race when it may aid in the capture of the suspect. In this case, having only the height and estimated age of the suspect is not enough for race to help ID them.
That's the policy as it stands right now; I follow it. But I'm open to debate it, and I would be happy to pass the feedback on to my managing editors.

lynda

11:43 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

According to the Oakland Press, the suspect was black. Patch won't mention that?

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Peter Griffin

9:02 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Bob, one of the articles this summer about the robbery/smash and grab in Lucido's didn't state the race of the robber and I believe that Kristin (I think I remember this right and apologize if I have it wrong) stated that it was the Rochester Patch's policy to not report race if it wasn't important. Why?

They must be afraid of being labeled a racist. Race of a suspect is important if the community is told to report any information to the local police. If we don't know whether the suspect is white, hispanic, black, asian, etc, how do we know who to look for??

If a rabid dog is on the loose biting people and the Patch says, "look out for a small dog with rabies that is biting people", we are going to look at every small dog and wonder if that is the sick animal. If the Patch says, " look out for a rabid bassett hound that is biting people", it is much easier to find the dog.

It's not being racist to report the race of a suspect or an accurate description --- it helps the general public look out for them. The McDonald's suspect: 5' 5" tall and wearing a hoodie could be anybody. It's pretty poor reporting to not state ALL known information. Maybe someone will spot them and call police with an accurate description.

David Gifford

11:48 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I'd be curious to know if the Rochester and Rochester Hills police have a strategy to curb the recent rash of robberies in our area? Will there be training for business owners? Encouragement of more use of video cameras? Something needs to be done now before business owners start installing bullet proof glass, bars, cameras and start keeping a gun behind the counter. I know that sounds extreme but it could happen. In Royal Oak some business owners are installing steel roll down curtains on their businesses which I know we don't want here. These robberies are happening during the day though, that is what scares me. As for the comment about their being men in Mc Donalds to stop a 5'5" tall man, really? Someone making minimum wage is going to risk their life over the drawer? I don't think so. I don't care how tall or short the assailant is, most people don't instinctively have a hero response when a weapon is suspected.

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Lee Zendel

2:09 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Some of us have been warning for years that the number of deputies that the citizens of Rochester Hills are willing to pay for is in-adequate.
According to FBI statistics-which are not an FBI recommendation but simply what various size communities in different regions of the U.S. through their governments believe the size of their police forces should be. The statistics for the 439 communities of 50,000 to 99,999 residents located in the Midwest region is an average of 84 sworn officers. Rochester Hills has 57 !!
Never forget that there are 168 hours in a week and no officer works 168 hours in a week. Also remember there are 32 square miles in Rochester Hills. I believe some, criminals are somewhat aware of those numbers.
In my opinion, crime will continue to get worse in Rochester Hills until the residents finally decide the free lunch is over and vote in favor of a significant police millage.

P.S. My son recently purchased a home in Bloomfield township where they have significantly more police AND fire/rescue personnel. Yes, their millage rate is higher but they seem to be willing to pay for adequate public safety

anne powder

11:56 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

So this guy showed up at the same time a courier was taking money bags out of the store? So he knew to be there at that time? Easiest robbery ever. Easy to solve.

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AnnieM

7:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Could not agree more. Not just there at the same time--the hamburglar knew the guy WAS a courier, WITH money bags. This just sounds so shady.

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Peter Griffin

9:13 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Annie, it was Grimmace!!!!! Ronald is going to be mad!

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Michele Manhire

12:20 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Thirty years ago, I worked at a Wendy's. Every evening, amongst the late dinner crowd, the manager would leave the restaurant and get in line at the drive through. He was handed the bank deposit bags inside of Wendy's bags, as if he was given his meal. Simple, but very effective in not being pegged for a robbery. I can't believe McDonald's doesn't have some similar procedure in place. "Inside job"?? If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck...! Hopefully someone in the sheriff's office knows this too!

Peter Griffin

1:07 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Could it be 1/3 of the take for the courrier and 2/3 for the suspect??? Hmmmmmmm....I wonder......

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Cheryl Junker

12:48 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Hoodie AND hat.......screams BAD HAIR day to me! Perhaps Ronald had a bad perm, bad dye job or BOTH! ( too much purple eggplant dye......dont tell me Ronald has cataracts already).

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Cheryl Junker

12:50 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

An insider job.......of course, who would suspect Ronald?

Carol

8:36 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Police patrol car sightings in Rochester Hills are few and far between ever since the Oakland County Sheriffs took over. Criminals know this and know they can be long gone down Rochester Road or M-59 before the sheriff can get to the scene. Perhaps Rochester Hills residents should consider bringing back their own department. There is a lot to be said for visible patrols and police presence.

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Marty Rosalik

9:11 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Carol, I'm still new to this area, moved here in 1960. I don't remember a Rochester Hills police department. Avon Township had one with black and white mid 60s Fords like Andy of Mayberry. But that was quite a while back.

Mackey Chandler

7:56 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Unless you can pay to put a deputy in each store all more police will get you is your police report for your insurance company filled out faster. The social forces that drive this crime are not going to abate soon. The stores need to become aware and not show patterns of behavior such as leaving with money on a regular timetable. Pulling a car up and escorting the money carrier costs very little if you can't afford an armored car pick-up.
As to not reporting race. Then why report it was a man? Do women not commit crimes? Is sexist better than racist?
Also the people wanting to remove apartments and trailers because they see those people as trashy amuse me. Go a few miles north and the residents of Oakland township will tell you they don't want the scum who live in $500k 'tract' houses dragging down the quality of life in their community.

Richard Happening

11:39 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Peter,
Yeah, like those "REALLY" nice apartments on the south side of First street, just west of the Rochester road bridge. That is a SOLID community. No drugs or shady people in those "homes".
Prison would be an upgrade in housing for those people. I know, I have been to prison.

Peter Griffin

12:00 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Richard,

Exactly....I am sure the First Street apartments are a very nice place to live. They are priced to attract professionals and the well-to-do; they are not underpriced units priced to attract bad elements that normally couldn't afford this area.

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Carol

1:19 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The apartments on First Street and the apartments off Ludlow are known for frequent police calls and police activity. I spoke with the city manager about the unsightly condidtion of the buildings...I have no idea why this kind of landlord behavior is tolerated...but the City of Rochester's manager doesn't seem to want to do anything about it.

Richard Happening

12:17 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

And they are GOOD people. They ride bikes instead of driving cars. It is normal to see a 37-year old man on a BMX bike during winter.

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Peter Griffin

1:07 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

37 year old ----- bmx bike ---- winter....huh????????

Peter Griffin

1:25 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Carol,

Aren't the apartments on First the nice Studio apartments with the gated parking garage....or am I thinking of the wrong place. You are right about the Ludlow apartments...they are pretty dumpy and have a lot of crime. Raise the rent.

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Carol

1:32 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The apartments on First Street near the cemetary are dumps. Broken windows, shutters falling off, torn screens, trash in the half dead shrubbery...

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Peter Griffin

1:18 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

I must have been thinking about the apartments on 2nd street -- I think those are the nice one with the gated parking. You are right, the ones by the cemetary are dumpy and it would be nice if they were upgraded somehow.

Kristen Famiano

7:17 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

I'm not sure why people think this is funny. I imagine it's pretty scary to be the victim of a robbery no matter how tall the guy was. I think it's funny (not the haha kind) that people are wondering what is going on with all the crime...while others are making a big joke out of it. It's just not funny. Maybe societal attitudes are a factor? Food for thought...no pun intended.

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Peter Griffin

1:22 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

It's not funny -- it's pathetic. Some of us are just making the point that crime seems to be on the rise in Rochester/Rochester Hills and it seems to be concentrated in the neighborhood of the low rent apartments. Take away the low rent areas and I bet a lot of the crime goes too.

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David Gifford

9:49 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Of all of the recent crime stories on Patch, how many have been from the "low rent" areas of Rochester/Rochester Hills? Saturday night: two men fighting in parking lot broken up by police taser, one man from Auburn Hills, one from Shelby. Theft from Rochester Hills Meijer, resident of Madison Heights. Attempted TV theft from KMart, resident of Pontiac. Jewelry store theft, Detroit resident. 3 teens rob a store in Rochester, residents of Belleville, Keego Harbor and Rochester. Even after we hear that many of these problems are caused by outsiders, we still want to point fingers at the renters. Is it your opinion that Rochester should be a gated community where only those who make over $75,000 a year need apply to live here?

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Marty Rosalik

7:34 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Well Peter, given the plethora of nasty and bigoted comments I naturally assumed a pseudonym.
I’m still not convinced I’m wrong but I don’t expect so many nasty comments from easy to find identifiable people. You see long ago I lived in some of what you call “the dumpy” areas of Rochester Hills. I even lived in the trailer park off Avon east of John R. Now I have a hill top view of the Wyndgate golf course on two acres. NO subdivision rules for me. Far too many of your comments were way too abrasive to just sit by and not poke at you for them. I'm sorry if I offended you but you are hitting too close to home for me and some of my relatives. NONE of us are problems!

Richard Happening

10:18 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

A lot of crud in some of the apartments. That is for sure. Take a look at the sex-offender list for our area. More than 90pct of the scum reside in those areas. Smoking a cigarette while riding a BMX bike at near 40 years of age is totally normal. And Peter, this is another word for graveyard: "cemetery". There is no "a" in cemetery- unless you are talking about a Canadian cemetery.

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Peter Griffin

8:10 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Thanks for the spelling lesson. My spelling IS pretty bad. My degrees are a BS in Engineering, MS in Engineering & MS in Management.....no spelling required for a degree in Engineering Sciences...just a lot of mathematics. : )

BTW -- totally agree in cleaning up ALL of the dumpy complexes in Rochester/Rochester Hills to help get rid of some of the crime. My wife has a great aunt that lives by that complex you are talking about and she is afraid to leave her doors open when she is at home. She keeps them locked at all times. It's a shame. You are also right about the sex-offenders. I have checked the MI sex-offender list there are a lot of people that live in the local "low rent" apartments. I hate to sound descriminatory (i know it is spelled wrong), but when you have apartments that rent for $500 to $800 per month in Rochester, you are going to get the wrong element moving in. I have stated before, that I know for a fact, that there are multiple families sharing a single bedroom apartment (2 or 3 single moms and 4-6 kids) at the Hamptons just so their kids can use RCS. They don't even pay property taxes.

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Peter Griffin

8:14 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

BTW -- by "wrong element" I am not referring to race --- I mean things like: sex-offenders, ex-cons (serious crimes), people on welfare, people who really cannot afford this area, high-school dropouts, etc.

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Peter Griffin

8:15 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

"wrong element" also means ILLEGAL immigrants (or as the Liberals refer to them as....undocumented aliens).

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Marty Rosalik

9:28 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Peter, say hi to Stewie and Brian for me. If you know for a "fact" that multiple families are in single family dwellings... file a complaint. Turn them in to the school system! And since you like to play that “they don’t belong in my neighborhood” card… let me play mine. Stay south of Dutton. I’ve lost enough property value. I don't need another Quagmire out here.

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Peter Griffin

12:50 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

ha-ha...real nice. If I hadn't heard that one many times over the past 10 or so years. Thanks for making fun of my name -- nice. You sound like one of my college professors, in grad school, who asked if "this was a joke" when my name appeared on the class list. Try giving your license to a police officer and he asks, "is this a joke". Thanks again......

BTW, I do live north of Dutton and keep my home up vey well. I don't think I would affect your property values in a negative way. I am actually trying to get a neighbor of mine to comply with the bi-laws in my sub and clean up his yard. He lives in a 4000+ sq ft home that he purchased as a forclosure and it has become the eyesore of the neighborhood.

Again, thanks much for making fun of my name. Really appreciate it. Have a nice day...

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Patricia Kane

8:35 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Some good people do need rent at $500.00 a month on a fixed income or would have no place to live- they helped build this community. I take exception that if you can only afford this type of housing you are a bad element as thats what it attracts, Not true. This has to do with screening of applicant and management taking care of the premise. I see both Rochester and Rochester Hills promoting for people in the 100+K range and that excludes a lot of seniors, a lot of young professionals, a lot of widows, a lot a families where a job was lost or a lesser paying job taken. Management of these apartments need to be given the strong message of what the rental agreement allows, and then clean up the premise. Heck, a neighbor turned us in for a 13 year old vine/plant support in our backyard-didn't like the way it looked over our fence....and without any communication from the City, we got a letter of violation during the holidays---lived in the house for 29 years--and yet, the apartments go untouched....hmmmmm...

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