McMillin Defeats VanRaaphorst for 45th District House Seat
Here are the results of the race.
Voters in Rochester, Rochester Hills and Oakland Township on Tuesday elected Tom McMillin to a third term in the Michigan House of Representatives.
According to results released from the Oakland County Clerk's office, McMillin, a Republican of Rochester Hills, defeated Democratic challenger Joanna VanRaaphorst of Oakland Township for the 45th District House seat.
On Tuesday morning, while campaigning at Adams High School, McMillin said he felt good about the campaign and its predicted outcome.
VanRaaphorst, who was campaigning nearby, said she was encouraged by the voters who told her they were splitting their tickets to vote for her.
Here's a look at the results:
- McMillin won with 55.44% of the vote, or 25,971 votes.
- VanRaaphorst received 43.56% of the vote, or 20,406 votes.
In 2010, McMillin won with 67.88 percent of the vote to Democrat Mary Ward's 32.12 percent. In 2008, McMillin won with 57.15 percent of the vote to Democrat Randy Young's 42.28 percent.
According to a precinct-by-precinct look at the votes, VanRaaphorst edged out McMillin in two of five Rochester precincts (1 and 3) and five of 32 Rochester Hills precincts (2, 11, 15, 28, 30). McMillin won overwhelmingly in Oakland Township.
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Dorothy
6:12 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Sorry day for our kids. He should have gone with Janice Daniels.
Anita
6:51 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Sad that Neanderthal thinking continues to prevail in Rochester.
Barb Anness
7:01 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Sadly, our community chose a person that isn't interested in representing the community in which he lives but an extreme right agenda. As a parent of students in the RCS district he represents I will continue to question his support for the charter and cyber schools. Additionally, if transparency is so important to Rep. McMillin, I challenge him to be transparent with any legislation passed in favor of charter and cyber schools. These options should be held just as accountable as public education.
I hope to see JoAnna VanRaaphorst return when this seat is available again as she is still the right candidate to represent the residents of my community!
Dorothy
7:46 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I couldn't agree with you more.
Mike Reno
7:07 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
So... what are the most appropriate insults to hurl at the 55% of the community that supported Tom?
Are they all bigots? Are they all uninformed?
Or, is there some other excuse that we are going to run with to explain this blowout victory for Tom? Voter fraud? Hanging chads?
Dorothy
7:45 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
5,566 more votes out of 46,842 cast, and she would have had him. Given how red McMillin's district is and how little name recognition and money Joanna had, she did a great job.
The days of the GOP party of angry and resentful old men and the 1% that manipulate them are limited by the changing demographics of our country and county. The extremists in Lansing who profess to love the constitution and freedom (their own) are already plotting new legislation to thwart the will of the voters and reinstate emergency managers. The good news is Bishop lost. Maybe now he'll have to actually get a job in the private sector instead of living off the taxpayers. What Joanna couldn't do this time around, term limits will.
This website breaks down how Oakland County voted. http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/MI/Oakland/43747/110709/en/summary.html
Barb Anness
7:46 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Insults, excuses and name calling aren't necessary and I didn't need to use any to make my point as to why he wasn't my choice. And, I would hardly call this a "blowout victory." 45% didn't vote for him so perhaps he'll begin to consider and listen to all of the constituents he represents? I know I'll still continue to work within my community to ensure that my children's public education is protected and that all citizens of this community are represented.
Mike Reno
8:53 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
First... she didn't need 5566 more votes... she only needed 2783 to change their vote.
But the point is that they didn't... they voted for Tom.
And RHM... the second posting here specifically implied that a majority of our neighbors are "neanderthal(s)". If you don't think that is intended as an insult... then please elaborate.
And also help to explain this notion that he is not listening. In some of these matters, how exactly is he supposed to "listen" to the 45%? If a majority support the idea of CHOICE in education, and a minority support the current monopoly model... how exactly do you dance in the middle? And another thought... if he does support CHOICE, and a majority support Tom, then why should he back off the goal of creating better education opportunities for our children?
Dorothy
8:53 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
More Republican math. If you look at Tom's district and calculate what percentage voted for Romney vs Obama, my estimate would be well in excess of 80+%. When you look at the percentage of votes Tom got vs Joanna, 55% means he barely carried half of his own party.
Bill Monroe
9:35 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Dorothy, I hope you do math better than that. Typically we base an analysis like this off of actual results of inuendo, rumors, and assumptions. (You know what they say about assumptions).
In Rochester Hills, Romney got 21,484 votes, or 54.38% of the vote cast. McMillin only got 20,293 votes in Rochester Hills, but it was 54.39% of the votes cast in the State Rep race.
In Rochester, Romney got 3,930 votes or 55.94% of the votes cast. McMillin only got 3,694 votes, or 55.61% of the votes cast.
There's no such thing as Republican math or Democrat math. Can we get beyond the Tom McMillin demonization?
cliff keast
10:01 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
This was not a blowout by any means. I attribute the result to mindless, straight ticket voting by many and a lack of people really researching the two candidates carefully.
Joshua Raymond
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
50% of the voters in these precincts did not vote straight party. (46,842 total, 23,424 straight party) There were plenty of people who researched both candidates and believe McMillin is the better choice. Statements like yours don't just insult the candidate, but your fellow community members.
Barb Anness
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
"And RHM... the second posting here specifically implied that a majority of our neighbors are "neanderthal(s)". If you don't think that is intended as an insult... then please elaborate."
Wow, I will not insult you or anyone else to make a point, nor did I use the word "neanderthal(s)" Please don't speak for me as I won't assume to know why you feel it's necessary to be divisive in order to have a civil conversation.
Steve Clarke
11:20 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I am going to get the torches and pitchforks and assemble the villagers,in the meantime continue to call names,make excuses. We'll get to the bottom of this or start running these people that don't vote like us right out of town !
Mike Reno
11:23 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
If you read my post, you'll see that I wasn't suggesting that YOU said it. I noted that it was the second post, and here it is: "Anita:
6:51 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012:
Sad that Neanderthal thinking continues to prevail in Rochester."
We have sat and listened to the patchies here insult, berate, and bully Tom (and his supporters) for several months leading up to this election. And look at where this has gone... we can't accept that a majority voted for Tom. Instead, the only way some people can get their heads around this is to conclude that it was straight party, or ignorant people, or whatever. Why should we "turn the other cheek" on insults like that?
Nobody said anything like that about JVR. Aside from the MEA and other donations, (and disregarding a few random sarcastic entries) nobody questioned her sincerity or motivation. Comments about her were largely civil.
Complete opposite about Tom.
So as far as divisiveness... my posts tend to be rebuttals to the nasty things that are said about my political party or my friends.
This thread wasn't a half-hour old before someone tossed out an insult.
Chris Gill
7:10 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I couldn't agree more Rochester Hills Mom.
Leigh McFarland Sarfati
7:14 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
How about this? How about Rep McMillin starts to consider the views of the other 45%? I don't know that I've ever witnessed a more rigid, inflexible politician. He is supposed to represent ALL of his constituents, not just the ones he lines up with from his own personal ideological standpoint.
Mike Reno
7:52 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
A more rigid, inflexible politician? Perhaps you haven't looked much. Great example is the top of the Democrat ticket... Obama, who can only accomplish things when he has a legislative majority. His "signature" legislation passed with NO Republican support.
But the point is more this... If, for example, Tom has been one of the leaders for CHOICE in education, and is known for it, and 55% of the people elect him, that it stands to reason that his community supports CHOICE. Are you suggesting that he "consider the views of the other 45%", and NOT support the idea of CHOICE?
I think Tom is willing to listen. Those that disagree with that statement should try to talk to him, rather than scream at him, belittle him, or heckle him.
And also understand that "listening" does not mean "capitulating". It is possible for reasonable people to have a difference of opinion. If he listens to the opposing point of view, and does not change his mind, then is he stubborn, or is he principled? Matter of perspective, I guess.
Charlotte P
10:19 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Please research McMillin's record. He has worked with and received praise from colleagues across the aisle as well as across the idealogical spectrum. I was surprised to see how well respected he is by those who have previously been very critical of his positions. This says a great deal about why he was re-elected.
Chris Gill
7:16 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Geeze Mike, hyperbole much? I don't see anything like that being said here. I wouldn't call it a blowout victory either, the margin was even closer this time. I doubt Tom will run against Marleau, so I'll just hold my nose again for two more years, then phhht! He'll be in my rearview mirror.
Richard Happening
7:17 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
So happy to see Tom win. Also, complete defeat for the ridiculous proposals. No more ads, and the losers who promoted these things got just what they deserved. Also, all you PTA'ers- show your respect for our environment and go retrieve one or more of the hundreds of JVR signs. She is free to leave the MEA's back pocket at this point, as well.
Dee Kay
9:03 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Why do you only demand that the JVR supporters remove their signs? Shouldn't BOTH sides supporters make sure to remove ALL signs? Why the personal dig about the being in the back pocket of anyone unless you are going to make that statement about both parties and their supporters? We have enough hatred and name calling already in this country, why try to add even more to it?
Remember that both sides are in need of being called out and being held accountable to the citizens, not just their supporters or their personal ideologies. The politicians won't do what is in the best interests of the citizens unless they are forced to. Time to get past the partisan attacks and demand that the politicians do what is in the best interest of the citizens over that of their party or their own ideology. Demand accountability from ALL politicians, whether they are in your party or not.
Chris Gill
7:21 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I don't think Tom is capable of flexible thinking, Leigh. He's a dinosaur. They're kind of in style in MI right now, but pretty soon they'll go back into extinction.
Mike Reno
7:52 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Hyperbole, eh? You toss that out, and then turn around and insult Tom TWICE in three sentence post.
Chris Gill
7:23 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Always nice to hear from you, Richard. Have a great day.
Kristin Bull
7:24 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Thank-you, in advance, for commenting without personal attacks.
Leigh McFarland Sarfati
7:39 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Yes Chris, you're absolutely right. But it's fun to dream sometimes...
I guess I'm naive but I'm still shocked at the absolute contempt Rep. McMillan seems to have for his constituents with differing opinions.
CWH
7:39 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Joanna Van Raaphorst ran a clean, honest and heartfelt campaign. She thought of her constituents with every move she made. She would have been a great representative and hopefully, she will be in the future. She is a remarkable woman and 20,000+ people in our community agree. Thanks Joanna.
doug
8:53 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
This went exactly as I called it. Joanne does seem like a very nice and committed person. She lost because her views and backers (MEA) are not in synch with this district. It is as simple as that.
I congratulate her for making the effort. Not enough people are wiling to put themselves out there and do what it takes to make a difference.
Bill Monroe
8:53 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
The comments I'm seeing so far are interesting and border on being sore losers and spoiled sports. Apparently I'm an angry, resentful white dinosaur manipulated by the 1 percent.
All of these comments about how Tom McMillin doesn't care about the opinions of the 45% are absolutely ridiculous. It seems to me the only ones not listening are you guys - you scream questions and don't like the answers. The only intolerance I see are when someone says they agree with Tom, and you call them a bigot or a neandrethal. The only ones who are being divisive are you guys. And apparently it all backfired.
So give us all a break on the sore loser rhetoric.
Chris Doan
9:17 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
So sorry to see Joanna lose. She worked so hard to talk to each constituent.
Joanna, you ran a clean, honest campaign and deserved to win. Please stay involved. We still need you.
Michele Manhire
9:17 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I wish someone could explain to me the mind-boggling mystery of how one person with principle and character who sticks to it is 'bad', and another person with principle and character who sticks to it is 'good'. Or perhaps the mystery of how some people feel the need to be nasty and narrow minded while calling out 'the other guy' for being exactly the same thing. Seriously people... get a clue. This election has proven two things... #1 - our society is FAR from civilized; and #2 - "Every nation gets the government it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre. Until CIVIL discourse returns to our society, nothing of any positive effect will come to this city/county/state/country. Now, stop your hypocritical whining and GO FORWARD AND BE A POSITIVE PART OF MOVING THIS COUNTRY FORWARD.
Joshua Raymond
10:01 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Excellent post, Michele!
leigh wagner
9:28 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I would hardly call this a "blowout victory", really quite laughable. If this had not been a presidental election I think things would have turned out differently. Many people in this area voted a straight Republican ticket due to it being a Presidential election. I am a registered Republican who considers myself Independent as of this past election. I have read things on the patch and not commented, but Mike Reno you just are TOO much. You had to chime in about chads and voter fraud which nobody mentioned. You love to stir the pot just as much as the other side. Everytime I seem to get on this site it is full of Mike Reno comments, no wonder som many in this area call it the "Reno Patch". Whe you looked what happend across the Nation it is obvious that the people are sick of the crazies. Mcmillin has two more years where he cannot do too much damage, as nobody seems to back his crazy bills ups. His career in politics will most likely not go any further.
Dano
9:28 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
No personal attacks from me, I'll leave that up to Chris. For what it's worth, I considered voting for JV until I actually had a chance to talk to her in person. I wasn't impressed that she had a handle on the issues that were important to me. I got that she ran with the support of the RHS school district and it's employees. As a local small business owner, I support fiscal responsibility especially when it comes to our schools and local budget.
The privatization of the Rochester Schools cafeteria and transportation services seems to be working. This move was vehemently opposed by the MEA and the local PTA, etc.
JV would have railed against such a move I'm almost certain.
So, the 55% have spoken much like the 51 % who re-elected the President.
Like Chris, I guess I'll have to "hold my nose" for the next 4 years (along with the other 49% who voted for Romney) huh ? At least we can be certain that Obama will be in our rear view mirrior...
David Gutknecht
12:15 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Dano, I agree with what you said. I was interested in voting for JV until talking to her in person. She single-handedly lost my vote. While I do not agree with McMillin on everything, I agree with him more than JV and I think that is why he won this election.
Dano
9:35 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
And thank you Bill Monroe, I couldn't agree more.
Judging from these comments re: the election of a State Rep., we are (Rochester / Roch. Hills Mi.) a microcosm of the political landscape that embodies the rest of the country. There is a great divide among us and I can only hope and pray that some candidate will bring us back to the days of Kennedy or Reagan.
I won't hold my breath.
Kristin Bull
10:05 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
About the straight tickets: In Rochester and Rochester Hills combined, there were 12,831 Republican straight tickets. There were 8,702 Democratic straight tickets. More local data here: http://patch.com/A-zv27
Shelley Sweier
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Was very disappointed to see the results. Joanna ran her campaign with integrity and passion - a passion we need in this community. I know that Joanna will continue to use her passion for her community to support our families, youth and schools - something that McMillin does not do. Joanna - you should be proud!
S. Sweier
Richard Happening
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
So glad that the ads and signs are finally finished. That is a positive we can all agree on, right? Tom is a much nicer person than most of you know. Bubbliness shouldn't be a requirement to hold public office, but it often is. Kids are important, they are our future. My children attend RCS and I appreciate the quality of our schools. Letting teachers get a free-ride on healthcare and other ridiculous benefits doesn't benefit the little ones, it benefits the teachers. They get so militant when even the smallest concession is discussed. They are generally insecure about their benefits, because they know that they are outdated and unrealistic. Forget about testing the students!!! TEST THE TEACHERS. Good and great teachers should be furious that they are not given the chance to shine and be rewarded according to their extraordinary efforts/results. Seniority is not a good way to pay people. It can be a factor, but not the sole determinant. The Univ of Phoenix Master's degree shouldn't be weighted as much as it is, either. Many teachers are just "putting their years in". They know it. The MEA wants us to have no way to weed them out. DOUBLE THE PAY OF GREAT TEACHERS. It is a tough job. Sometimes their days can be as bad as undergoing unnecessary periodontal work!! GOD BLESS GREAT TEACHERS. THERE IS NO FUTURE WITHOUT THEM. WE WILL NOT HAVE GREAT TEACHERS IF WE CANT GET A SYSTEM THAT REWARDS GREAT TEACHERS RELATIVE TO THEIR MEDIOCRE/BAD CO-WORKERS.VIVA TOMMY!!
leigh wagner
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Thanks, Kristin. I for one thought that it would be hard for JVR to win because of the Presidential race. I figured that the straight ticket vote would come into play and it sure did.
Daryl Patrishkoff
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
The people have spoken and the bashing continues. We all say we do not like the negative ads and attacks, but do it freely in these posts with hidden names and agendas. In the next political season the negative attacks will be greater because we make it an effective way to choose our candidates by our own actions. The politicians are watching.
Before you complain about the negative ads, robo calls and fighting; look in the mirror and see if your actions are making this the way in politics. We all own it, we all can change it, but we have to be civil with each other first. Then the politicians might see that negatives do not work.
Come out of hiding, give your real name and background and it will force some civility. Let us have an adult conversation. This is America, we have free speech still, and we can do better. Hidden names and bashing is also free speech, but to the intelligent person it is just meaningless noise and adds nothing to the conversation.
The challenge to all is to respect others opinions, it is their American right. Many people died for all of us to have this right.
Leigh McFarland Sarfati
1:03 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Thanks Daryl. I couldn't agree more. Too many folks seem to be regressing into petulant, shrill children who quit the game and run the other way when they run into someone with a differing opinion. It's AOK to disagree, but it is not okay to stonewall, obstruct, and/or sabotage our leaders. Like it or not, Rep. McMillan AND President Obama are both back in office. Let's see what they (and we) can do to make things better, NOT just further our own individual agendas.
I see whining and temper tantrums on both sides of the political spectrum today. These behaviors are embarrassing at best and destructive at worst.
Scot Beaton
3:18 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Daryl... I think it would be wise to re-examine your approach -- "Come out of hiding, give your real name and background and it will force some civility. Let us have an adult conversation." --Daryl Patrishkoff
The Rochester Patch is not a place where we need to lecture others who choose privacy... and the constitutional right of freedom and expression! The Rochester Patch is where those choose to openly share information in a format where last names are not required... if you don't like the format...? suggestion type somewhere else.
Richard Happening
10:40 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Just a little name calling:
Straight ticket appears to have been designed for a ZOMBIE (it's still Halloween time, right?), someone who is INCREDIBLY LAZY, or a voter who DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO READ (beyond the R or D word)
Congrats to everyone who voted, for whatever candidate/proposal, etc. who took the time to educate him or herself, and cast a ballot based on thoughtful analysis of the issues.
Meredith McCutcheon
1:52 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Hmm. I spend a lot of time educating myself prior to every election, and I still voted straight ticket because I legitimately chose every candidate on that side. It would be great if we could have a thoughtful and respectful conversation on these election results without resorting to this kind of name-calling.
Scot Beaton
11:18 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
"America, I believe we can build on the progress we've made and continue to fight for new jobs and new opportunity and new security for the middle class. I believe we can keep the promise of our founders, the idea that if you're willing to work hard, it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from or what you look like or where you love. It doesn't matter whether you're black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or young or old or rich or poor, able, disabled, gay or straight, you can make it here in America if you're willing to try.
I believe we can seize this future together because we are not as divided as our politics suggests. We're not as cynical as the pundits believe. We are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions, and we remain more than a collection of red states and blue states. We are and forever will be the United States of America.
And together with your help and God's grace we will continue our journey forward and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on Earth.
Thank you, America. God bless you. God bless these United States." -- Barack Obama
It's time to move forward... this is the direction our country will take these next 4 years. If Tom McMillin and the Republican Party choose to endorse these principles then they have a fantastic opportunity for success in America's future.
doug
12:15 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Scot: I dont normally comment on national politics, but I will say this. The next 90 days will give everyone a sign of whether President Obama will learn from his new buddy President Clinton and move a bit toward the opposing party or will he double down on his "my way or the highway approach"
If he stays on the current course, they will muddle their way through the fiscal cliff issues and set up several more years of gridlock battling just like we have seen the past several years. I do believe it is his choice....words are meaningless, lets see what actually transpires.
As an american, I hope he takes a lesson from President Clinton, but I am not optimistic. Without a bi-partisian change in course, this economy and hiring are in for a long long recovery.
Scot Beaton
3:23 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Not the Same as Clinton ...
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/factchecking-obama-and-biden/
Obama said he proposed a return to the same tax rate on upper-income households that prevailed during the booming economy of the 1990s. But that’s not quite accurate.
Obama: I want to reform the tax code so that it’s simple, fair, and asks the wealthiest households to pay higher taxes on incomes over $250,000 – the same rate we had when Bill Clinton was president; the same rate we had when our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs.
Obama refers to his wish to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for families with over $250,000 annual income, or for individuals with over $200,000. The top marginal income tax rate would return to 39.6 percent, where it was set by Clinton’s 1993 tax increase, up from 35 percent, where it has been since 2003.
Scot Beaton
3:27 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Not the Same as Clinton ...
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/factchecking-obama-and-biden/
But that’s not the whole story. Obama has signed some new taxes to help finance the Affordable Care Act, increasing the burden on those upper-income taxpayers. Starting Jan. 1 next year, they will pay an additional 0.9 percent of wages for Medicare payroll taxes. And they will also be subject to a 3.8 percent tax on investment income from such things as stocks, bonds and sale of real estate. Those are taxes that didn’t exist when Clinton was president. If Obama succeeds in raising the top income tax rates to Clinton-era levels, total taxes on those making over $250,000 family income are thus likely to be higher than they were under Clinton. (They’ll still benefit from the Bush cuts on their income below $250,000, because Obama wouldn’t restore those lower-bracket rates to Clinton levels. So some upper-income taxpayers could still end up paying less federal tax than they paid under Clinton, depending.)
doug.. I don't think Obama is going to budge... so will see in the next few months if the Republican Party blinks; if not we're going over the fiscal cliff -- Obama in a second term has nothing to lose.
doug... Thanks for your response.
Anita
12:01 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Well excuse me but I do feel that the Republican attack on women and those that support those attacks are Neanderthal in their thinking or maybe you can explain to me where a phrase such as "legitimate rape" fits into this century or any for that matter?
Leigh McFarland Sarfati
1:03 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Hadn't thought about it that way Anita. I used to be able to find both dems and reps that I could get behind, but the swing to the FAR right has made it difficult for me to find a Republican candidate I can support. I do think the tea party / religious right part of the party is dragging the entire group down in ways they won't be able to repair if they don't stop attacking the rights of people who don't think like they do.
Daryl Patrishkoff
12:26 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Here are some of my observations from various posts and comments on this race. It is an interesting analysis; you might not agree with the numbers, if you did the analysis using your filter, you still would see a high percentage of negatives.
Here is some data from the past few postings about this race:
2 Different Approaches: 226 comments with 47% negative
Candidate Questionnaire Form: 46 comments with 37% negative
McMillin Defeats VanRaaphorst: 42 comments with 51% negative
Of course it is my opinion of what I think is negative. Do your own analysis and I expect you will still see a high percentage of negatives.
What does that say about us?
Joshua Raymond
1:03 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I agree with Anita. Neanderthal man had a larger cranial capacity than modern man and may have been more advanced. Anthropologists say Neanderthals “were highly intelligent, able to adapt to a wide variety of ecologicalzones, and capable of developing highly functional tools to help them do so. They were quite accomplished.”
Anita has unknowingly complimented Republicans. Perhaps next she will call us Nimrods.
Patricia J Kilby
1:03 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
This battle has ended but the war still rages. Those of us who would be more comfortable with a little more Democratic representation in our legislature in Lansing will continue to fight. We will watch what you do and make sure everyone knows what you do. We are not going away.
George McGrath
1:52 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
The analysis of the national race is clear: 90+ percent of blacks voted for Obama; 70% of Hispanics voted for Obama; 74% of Asians voted for Obama; and about 60% of women voted for Obama. Who voted for Romney in such numbers: only white men!
Voter suppression attempts in PA energized the black vote in Philadelphia so much that a greater percentage voted than last time; crazy talk on immigration lead Hispanics to flock to Obama (remember George Bush won 40%); crazy talk on rape and abortion and contraception drove women to Obama.
And the demographics show that white men will be a minority by 2020. Unless the Republican party changes, they are in big trouble. (Oh, on Tom McMillan, two states VOTED to legalize same sex marriage....another group Republicans managed to alienate.) These are facts pure and simple and explain how Obama won.
Robert Gauthier
2:50 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Same old names in this thread...same old BS.
Steve Clarke
3:36 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I've only made 3 comments since this site has been up and running, am I guilty ? Please excuse me,OK ?
Eve Ts
11:08 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
I voted for JV but hope that Tom uses this opportunity to be a better representative.
Robert Gauthier
11:00 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012
It's not you, Steve.
Charlotte P
4:02 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Observation: the women on this thread seem very angry even though their candidates did very well. Before you blame republicans for attacking you, know this: I am a woman and I feel that the democrats are the ones that disrespect women and promote the most insulting and demeaning policies to keep women and minorities from rising beyond sexual slavery and racism. Look at the focus on those things while republicans promote smart, strong women who are then demeaned and demonized by the left. No wonder dem women are angry - but you are pointing your weapons at the wrong targets.
Steve Clarke
9:03 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
I cannot tell you how "Spot on" you are. I wish more women,GOP & Dems, could see this. Best to you.
Patricia J Kilby
9:03 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Hush ! Hush! Sweet Charlotte. I am a Dem Woman and I am not angry at all. So, you think Democrats disrespect women and promote demeaning policies? Which policies are those? Be specific. Are you talking about the policy that a woman would get the same pay for doing the same job as a man? Or, maybe you are talking about the proposed idea to close Planned Parenthood where so many women get mammograms and Pap Tests at low or no cost? Maybe you are referring to the legislation that required a woman to have an un needed invasive proceedure that the GOVERNMENT required before she could have a legal abortion? Perhaps you refer to the suggestion that some rapes are not really rapes or that a woman can't get pregnant after being raped? Maybe you find it morally correct that a raped woman would be required by law to carry a fetus to term that resulted from a rape? Or from Incest? Sweet Charlotte, you are confused. All these ideas are REPUBLICAN IDIOCIES not the posoitions of Democrats. No anger here. I just get exasperated at how uninformed some people are.
Leigh McFarland Sarfati
10:19 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
http://www.lillyledbetter.com/
President Obama nominated two women to the Supreme Court.
“No, you can't deny women their basic rights and pretend it's about your 'religious freedom'. If you don't like birth control, don't use it. Religious freedom doesn't mean you can force others to live by your own beliefs.” -President Obama
Shall I continue?
Charlotte P
10:19 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012
Well Patricia you have certainly presumed to attach assumptions and answers to a question posed to me. Since you provide your own answers that are designed to slander and belittle any possible reply I could give it is clear that there is no hope for a respectful exchange. I refer to none of the things you list yet you assign the most outrageous labels to me because I dare to assert a counter perspective. The irony of your patronizing "Sweet Charlotte" greeting is the bitter tone you choose. I will move on to discussions with tolerant and open-minded people who are willing to exchange ideas. That is what our community and country need.
Richard Happening
7:44 am on Friday, November 9, 2012
I would say that Pat doesn't sound like a lot of fun. She may be, but judging solely from her post, she doesn't seem like somebody with whom I'd like to party.
Patricia J Kilby
7:44 am on Friday, November 9, 2012
Charlotte, come on now. First you say women are angry and now I am "bitter. I assure you, I am neither. "Slander" is a tough word. Where is the slander? I simply asked you to be specific when you say that Democrats "disrespect women". How so? Where? When? I specifically pointed out the instances where Republicans try to demean women . I thought perhaps you might have been confused that these policies were suggested by Democrats.When you say "there is no hope of a respectful exchange", I am going to conclude then that you are not able to name any specific ways that Democrats "disrespect" women and thus, I agree. We need to move on. I have proved my point.